Christ Becoming The Live-Giving Spirit

[OBW]

Christ, ion resurrection, took on a new form. A body that was both physical (can be touched) and "spiritual" (more like thinking "ghost"). Yet Christ was always "spirit." (John 4) And Christ is life-giving. So in the context of a discussion on the nature of the body that is received in the resurrection, Christ "became" a life-giving "spirit." He already gave life. Now his body is different (and Paul is calling that body "spiritual").

Whatever it is that Lee said that keeps bringing this subject up is nonsense because Lee is talking about Christ (the Son, the 2nd of the trinity) becoming the Spirit (the 3rd of the trinity). Paul just does not say any such thing.

[byHismercy]

Yep!!
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Yep!!
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

That is just the most AWESOME verse ---> To me it shows the absolute futility of our natural minds in trying to understand God and His nature!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

That is just the most AWESOME verse ---> To me it shows the absolute futility of our natural minds in trying to understand God and His nature!

Only in the KJV ...

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Only in the KJV ...

Isn't that the version they read in heaven?

My phone app interlinear reads 1 John 5:7 as: "For three there are bearing testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three one are."

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Isn't that the version they read in heaven?

My phone app interlinear reads 1 John 5:7 as: "For three there are bearing testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three one are."

I'll pass on the KJV discussion.

But saying that any three that bear witness on something are one actually is not so unable to be understood. It is not a declaration that the three witnesses are "simply one," are "one on all topics and issues," or "are the same person." (Or any other thought.) It just declares their agreement on what is stated. I can understand that.

Now other verses say more comprehensive things about the oneness of the Father, Son, and Spirit — all three together and in groups of two. And there is much in some of those verses that is not easy to understand. And when we try to push all of it together into a single doctrine of the nature of "One God" our understanding gets even more confused. In fact, at that point, it is pointless to try to figure it all out. There is something of the oneness of the Godhead that rises to the level of "One God," not just a triumvirate of three. Yet they are also three. In our limited perspective, it does not compute. Yet it is not a contradiction — just lacking information and understanding to overcome the limitations of our poor minds and sphere of understanding.

[Sons to Glory!]

Exactly! I've thought that too (re your 1st paragraph), but there is certainly much more to it.

[JJ]

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/7-39.htm

This is a good example of how translators add and delete articles to make it read in English, but they got the capital S in Spirit right.

It is interesting to me that:

1: Jesus says “if anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink (v37)
2: and “the one believing in me, Rivers of living water out of his belly will flow (not in but out).(v38)
3: He said this of The Spirit, whom those who believe in him were about to receive; not yet for was Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified. (v 39)

So those who believe in Him = come to Him and drink, out of their belly (translated innermost being) will flow Rivers of living water.
And, because Jesus was glorified this is “of The Spirit”.

Lee called this Jesus becoming The Spirit, and God being processed.

I’m just glad he calls us to believe in Him. We drink of Him, the Spirit comes out “as a River” out of “our belly.” Praise Him for His call to drink of Him as the living water and The Spirit flowing back out.

If anyone has it figured out they have a better mind than I do.