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I don't recall anyone saying anything close to this. Maybe you were reading on some other website.
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Some verses going through me this morning were 1 Cor 15:45 and Romans 8:2.
"The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit." "The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed me from the law of sin and of death." Then I ran across this one: “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you . . .?" (1 Cor 6:19) (and then all the verses in Romans 8 that says Who is in us - Christ; Spirit of Him Who raised Jesus; The Spirit; Spirit of Christ . . .) We certainly can't figure this out on our own - it must come through revelation! I think our part is just to call on Him, be refreshed by His Spirit, and let Him reveal to us what He may! My experience over 45 years is that to try to understand this is chasing after the wind folly.
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Read 1 Cor. 15:45 in a Greek interlinear again, brother (caps are different). Also read Romans 8:1 in an interlinear (no caps). It’s even more mysterious yet true and worthy of believing and rejoicing in!
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I have an interlinear app on my phone and looked at it when citing those verses.
This morning I had the thought that maybe it was Christ in us and the HS upon us. But then saw 1 Cor 6:19 which blew that theory apart! I'm actually happy to not be able to figure it out!
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Hmm. I’ve been using Bible Hub on-line. https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/15-45.htm and it has lower case. I’ll check my old Nestle’s Greek text and see what it has. Agreed. Mind blowing when the Trinity is involved.
![]() That reminds me of Cor 13:12 https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/13-12.htm That was when glass technology had not been perfected to make a mirror with a clear reflection like today. Mirrors were often made of polished metals, and the reflection tended to have distortions and imperfections. https://biblehub.com/str/greek/2072.htm
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I use Bible Hub all the time and really like it! My phone app is the Hebrew/Greek Interlinear Bible by Hagios Tech. And actually, spirit was not capitalized in 1 Cor 15:45, but isn't that just a judgement call on their part? Or is it just because the article "a" is used instead of "the"?
For instance in Romans 8:9 (Gk), "You now not in flesh but in Spirit." They capitalize spirit, but why? Since it appears they are contrasting human flesh with human spirit. And in verse 13 mine inserts the article "the" before spirit, and they capitalize it. But I think translators often do that - an apparent default thinking that any instance of the word pneuma must pertain specifically to God.
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Yes, that’s what I’ve been trying to get at, many translations sometimes add or take away articles and aren’t consistently following the Greek text for capitalizing and it just adds to the difficulty when it comes to spirit and Spirit! I’m no Greek expert, and wish one who is could weigh in.
Here is a link to another couple relevant verses in the inter linear (look at the one linked and the next verse too: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/2-11.htm). These certainly suggest The Spirit is for knowing the things of God while the spirit knows the things of man. Recall Witness Lee wanted us to turn to the spirit all the time! When we did were we then getting the things of man rather than the things of God? My experience was yes!
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