Christ Becoming The Live-Giving Spirit

JJ · 12-29-2019, 05:12 PM

Sons to Glory,: “thanks for those verses and Greek references! Yes, it would seem where pneuma (spirit) is pertaining to divinity the article "the" is used in front of it. The times it is not used would seem to indicate our human spirit (as Romans 8:9-10 clearly shows).

1st Corinthians 3:16 says, “Do you not know your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit?” I remember being in a Romans training where Lee was talking about this passage in Romans 8:9-11 (edited from Greek - see below)”

I wish Bible translators capitalized Spirit when it was capitalized in the Greek manuscripts and didn’t add The, of, etc... but maybe there are legitimate translation reasons because English is not Greek. I wish I knew. Romans 8 mostly uses spirit, but most translators translate Spirit most of the time and are inconsistent between translations throwing us into more unclarity.

I also thought it interesting that literal translations of two of the verses say “Spirit Christ” and “Spirit Jesus Christ” but translators add “of” between Spirit and Christ as well as Spirit and Jesus respectively. There is also a verse that says Lord Spirit. Maybe someone with Greek manuscript and Greek expertise can tell us if there are good reasons for these or if they are wrong to do this.

JJ · 12-29-2019, 07:37 PM

Challenging Witness Lee’s Annointing Oil Explanation

Life Study of Exodus Chapter 159 Section 2
Lee quotes Andrew Murray’s the Spirit of Christ (fifth chapter) and says

“The term ‘Holy Spirit’ was not used in the Old Testament. The Holy Spirit is first mentioned in the New Testament when Christ was conceived.”

Fact check:

Isaiah 63:10-11 https://biblehub.com/isaiah/63-10.htm

Psalms 51:11 https://biblehub.com/psalms/51-11.htm

Hebrews 9:8 https://biblehub.com/hebrews/9-8.htm

2 Peter 1:21 https://biblehub.com/2_peter/1-21.htm

Luke 1:15 https://biblehub.com/luke/1-15.htm

Luke 1:41 https://biblehub.com/luke/1-15.htm

Truth: not only is the term Holy Spirit used in the Old Testament, writers of the New Testament tell us the Holy Spirit was involved in its writing, the children of Israel rebelled against the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit was involved in John the Baptist’s birth too.

Note this verse too which suggests the Spirit of Christ or even Spirit Christ was in the Old Testament prophets as they spoke of Christ’s sufferings and glories afterward

https://biblehub.com/1_peter/1-11.htm

https://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/1-11.htm

12-29-2019, 05:12 PM	#1
JJ Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,006	Re: Christ Becoming The Live-Giving Spirit Sons to Glory,: “thanks for those verses and Greek references! Yes, it would seem where pneuma (spirit) is pertaining to divinity the article "the" is used in front of it. The times it is not used would seem to indicate our human spirit (as Romans 8:9-10 clearly shows). 1st Corinthians 3:16 says, “Do you not know your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit?” I remember being in a Romans training where Lee was talking about this passage in Romans 8:9-11 (edited from Greek - see below)” I wish Bible translators capitalized Spirit when it was capitalized in the Greek manuscripts and didn’t add The, of, etc... but maybe there are legitimate translation reasons because English is not Greek. I wish I knew. Romans 8 mostly uses spirit, but most translators translate Spirit most of the time and are inconsistent between translations throwing us into more unclarity. I also thought it interesting that literal translations of two of the verses say “Spirit Christ” and “Spirit Jesus Christ” but translators add “of” between Spirit and Christ as well as Spirit and Jesus respectively. There is also a verse that says Lord Spirit. Maybe someone with Greek manuscript and Greek expertise can tell us if there are good reasons for these or if they are wrong to do this. __________________ And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14 NASB)

12-29-2019, 07:37 PM	#2
JJ Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,006	Re: Christ Becoming The Live-Giving Spirit Challenging Witness Lee’s Annointing Oil Explanation Life Study of Exodus Chapter 159 Section 2 Lee quotes Andrew Murray’s the Spirit of Christ (fifth chapter) and says “The term ‘Holy Spirit’ was not used in the Old Testament. The Holy Spirit is first mentioned in the New Testament when Christ was conceived.” Fact check: Isaiah 63:10-11 https://biblehub.com/isaiah/63-10.htm Psalms 51:11 https://biblehub.com/psalms/51-11.htm Hebrews 9:8 https://biblehub.com/hebrews/9-8.htm 2 Peter 1:21 https://biblehub.com/2_peter/1-21.htm Luke 1:15 https://biblehub.com/luke/1-15.htm Luke 1:41 https://biblehub.com/luke/1-15.htm Truth: not only is the term Holy Spirit used in the Old Testament, writers of the New Testament tell us the Holy Spirit was involved in its writing, the children of Israel rebelled against the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit was involved in John the Baptist’s birth too. Note this verse too which suggests the Spirit of Christ or even Spirit Christ was in the Old Testament prophets as they spoke of Christ’s sufferings and glories afterward https://biblehub.com/1_peter/1-11.htm https://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/1-11.htm __________________ And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14 NASB)