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A2Z · 11-07-2019, 04:43 AM

Concerning Teaching

LSM Co-workers: In 1 Timothy 1:3-4 Paul told his co-worker Timothy to charge some in Ephesus not to teach things other than God’s economy.

FB poster M: Is this what those verses say?

I Timothy 1:3-4 : Even as I exhorted you, when I was going into Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus in order that you might charge certain ones not to teach different things nor to give heed to myths and unending genealogies, which produce questionings rather than God's economy, which is in faith.

FB poster M: The verse says that teaching “different things” produces questionings rather than producing God’s economy.

FB poster M: So it’s actually the teaching of the correct, accurate, healthy things which produces God’s economy. It doesn’t say to teach God’s economy.

sheeple 9: It says 'to teach the healthy things so that God’s economy is produced'.

sheeples : So…o… what actually is ‘God’s economy’?

sheeple 9: It is the result of teaching healthy teaching (sound doctrine).

FB poster M: Healthy teaching is ‘according to the gospel of the glory of the blessed God’ (I Timothy 1: 11).

FB poster M: The gospel is ‘Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners’ (I Timothy 1: 15); ‘believe on Him unto eternal life’ (I Timothy 1: 16)

Teaching things different from healthy teaching and giving heed to myths and unending genealogies, would produce questionings rather than …
ReV: God’s economy, which is in faith
KJV: godly edifying which is in faith
NIV: advancing God's work--which is by faith
NLT: live a life of faith in God
ESV: the stewardship from God that is by faith
WNT: true stewardship for God, which only exists where there is faith

sheepless: So…o …, ‘God’s economy’ is not a teaching. That’s sooo sad!

SAD.

A2Z · 11-09-2019, 02:34 AM

Concerning Teaching

FB poster M: The Recovery Version outline section header for these verses (I Timothy 1: 3-4) says “God’s Economy versus Different Teachings”.

FB poster M: This is comparing cause X to effect Y, rather than comparing cause X to effect X and cause Y to effect Y.

FB poster M: According to the verses, it should be:

Different things, myths, unending genealogies ------> questionings
Healthy teaching ------> God’s economy

sheeple 9: It should be "God's Economy vs Questionings" or "Healthy Teaching vs Different Teachings"

FB poster M: Witness Lee taught (his definition of) God’s economy, over, and over, and over, and over again. He put many interpretations and stories through his lens of God’s economy. But the Bible doesn’t say to do that.

FB poster M: The Bible says to teach the healthy things, and that teaching and those healthy things will PRODUCE God’s economy.

FB poster M: By teaching God’s economy, it means LSM LCs are missing the mark of focusing on teaching the healthy things which result in God’s economy.

sheepless : Oh NO … ! The outline header for I Timothy 1: 3-4 - “God’s Economy versus Different Teachings” is misleading?

sheepless : It’s M I S L E A D I N G !!!!!

sheeple 9: The co-workers have missed the mark ? ...

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Sons to Glory! · 11-09-2019, 07:01 AM

There's no denying that that the Greek word oikonomia was the source of our word economy. But personally, the word "economy" never quite caught on with me. Some here in Scottsdale use it, but I prefer administration or edifying/building up. Dispensing and stewardship aren't bad either. At least for me . . . Jus sayin

JJ · 11-09-2019, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

There's no denying that that the Greek word oikonomia was the source of our word economy. But personally, the word "economy" never quite caught on with me. Some here in Scottsdale use it, but I prefer administration or edifying/building up. Dispensing and stewardship aren't bad either. At least for me . . . Jus sayin

I agree with you about the English word economy making it hard to understand were oikonomia is used in the New Testament because our common use of economy refers to something other than a household matter as the Greek word which means house law, and its useage had more to do with servants serving their master faithfully. Therefore I prefer the word stewardship. I’ve reviewed every New Testament use of oikonomia and if consistently translated to stewardship, it greatly improved ease of understanding the whole sentence each time.

A2Z · 11-12-2019, 09:29 PM

LSM self-claimed self-delegated "Deputy Authority"

LSM co-workers : God’s intention to delegate authority to human beings is evident from Genesis 1:26

LSM co-workers : There God created man in His image and with His likeness and gave him dominion over the earth and all the things in it. This demonstrates a basic principle that God intends to exercise authority through men who express Him.

Max S on FB : …..uh……I am afraid the co-workers confuse two very different things: humans and animals.

Max S on FB : Genesis 1:26 says “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

Max S on FB : This is very, very clearly man being given authority over the ANIMALS – fish, birds, cattle, reptiles – and over the earth itself.

Max S on FB : If the co-workers want to dabble in animal husbandry because of this verse, I don’t think they would get much opposition (unless they try to pass themselves off as the Animal Husbandmen of the Age)

sheepless ABCZ : ...AH!....ahahahahahaha .... FUNNY!

Max S on FB : This is still not an authority to be scorned and is a great and humbling responsibility.

sheepless ABCZ : ...AH!....ahahahahahaha ....

sheepless AXYZ : still … no no … LSM co-workers do not have Deputy Authority over the animals at all! Their mota said himself cannot even control a mosquito …

Max S on FB : Genesis 1:26 has nothing to do with God granting deputy authority to people to be over other people, or to represent God to other people.

sheepless AXYZ : AHhhhh … LSM co-workers do not claim authority over ‘other people’. They only control their One Publication buyers. If you don’t buy from them, they cannot control you …

Max S on FB : I think we can all grant that Genesis 1:26 shows an amount of delegated authority through men, but the exercise of that authority is over animals, and does not support the LSM local church “deputy authority” of humans being the acting God over other humans.

Max S on FB : This leap would be akin to saying that because God made someone a farmer, this means He meant them to be President of the United States.

What about farmers in Canada and Mexico ?

Trapped · 11-13-2019, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by A2Z

Max S on FB : This leap would be akin to saying that because God made someone a farmer, this means He meant them to be President of the United States.

What about farmers in Canada and Mexico ?

I guess that leap would be akin to saying God meant them to be Prime Minister or Presidente?

A2Z · 11-13-2019, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Trapped

I guess that leap would be akin to saying God meant them to be Prime Minister or Presidente?

haha
According to the order of LSM "Deputy Authority" power structure.

I appreciate Max S posts. Very helpful.

11-07-2019, 04:43 AM	#1
A2Z Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 26	Re: Sad Funny Ridiculous Concerning Teaching LSM Co-workers: In 1 Timothy 1:3-4 Paul told his co-worker Timothy to charge some in Ephesus not to teach things other than God’s economy. FB poster M: Is this what those verses say? I Timothy 1:3-4 : Even as I exhorted you, when I was going into Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus in order that you might charge certain ones not to teach different things nor to give heed to myths and unending genealogies, which produce questionings rather than God's economy, which is in faith. FB poster M: The verse says that teaching “different things” produces questionings rather than producing God’s economy. FB poster M: So it’s actually the teaching of the correct, accurate, healthy things which produces God’s economy. It doesn’t say to teach God’s economy. sheeple 9: It says 'to teach the healthy things so that God’s economy is produced'. sheeples : So…o… what actually is ‘God’s economy’? sheeple 9: It is the result of teaching healthy teaching (sound doctrine). FB poster M: Healthy teaching is ‘according to the gospel of the glory of the blessed God’ (I Timothy 1: 11). FB poster M: The gospel is ‘Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners’ (I Timothy 1: 15); ‘believe on Him unto eternal life’ (I Timothy 1: 16) Teaching things different from healthy teaching and giving heed to myths and unending genealogies, would produce questionings rather than … ReV: God’s economy, which is in faith KJV: godly edifying which is in faith NIV: advancing God's work--which is by faith NLT: live a life of faith in God ESV: the stewardship from God that is by faith WNT: true stewardship for God, which only exists where there is faith sheepless: So…o …, *‘God’s economy’ is not* a teaching**. That’s sooo sad! SAD.

11-09-2019, 02:34 AM	#2
A2Z Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 26	Re: Sad Funny Ridiculous Concerning Teaching FB poster M: The Recovery Version outline section header for these verses (I Timothy 1: 3-4) says “God’s Economy versus Different Teachings”. FB poster M: This is comparing cause X to effect Y, rather than comparing cause X to effect X and cause Y to effect Y. FB poster M: According to the verses, it should be: Different things, myths, unending genealogies ------> questionings Healthy teaching ------> God’s economy sheeple 9: It should be "God's Economy vs Questionings" or "Healthy Teaching vs Different Teachings" FB poster M: Witness Lee taught (his definition of) God’s economy, over, and over, and over, and over again. He put many interpretations and stories through his lens of God’s economy. But the Bible doesn’t say to do that. FB poster M: The Bible says to teach the healthy things, and that teaching and those healthy things will PRODUCE God’s economy. FB poster M: By teaching God’s economy, it means LSM LCs are missing the mark of focusing on teaching the healthy things which result in God’s economy. sheepless : Oh NO … ! The outline header for I Timothy 1: 3-4 - “God’s Economy versus Different Teachings” is misleading? sheepless : It’s M I S L E A D I N G !!!!! sheeple 9: The co-workers have missed the mark ? ... ...

11-09-2019, 07:01 AM	#3
Sons to Glory! Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 2,622	Re: Sad Funny Ridiculous There's no denying that that the Greek word oikonomia was the source of our word economy. But personally, the word "economy" never quite caught on with me. Some here in Scottsdale use it, but I prefer administration or edifying/building up. Dispensing and stewardship aren't bad either. At least for me . . . Jus sayin __________________ *LC Berkeley 70s; LC Columbus OH 80s; An Ekklesia in Scottsdale 98-now*

11-12-2019, 09:29 PM	#5
A2Z Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 26	Re: Sad Funny Ridiculous LSM self-claimed self-delegated "Deputy Authority" LSM co-workers : God’s intention to delegate authority to human beings is evident from Genesis 1:26 LSM co-workers : There God created man in His image and with His likeness and gave him dominion over the earth and all the things in it. This demonstrates a basic principle that God intends to exercise authority through men who express Him. Max S on FB : …..uh……I am afraid the co-workers confuse two very different things: humans and animals. Max S on FB : Genesis 1:26 says “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” Max S on FB : This is very, very clearly man being given authority over the ANIMALS – fish, birds, cattle, reptiles – and over the earth itself. Max S on FB : If the co-workers want to dabble in animal husbandry because of this verse, I don’t think they would get much opposition (unless they try to pass themselves off as the Animal Husbandmen of the Age) sheepless ABCZ : ...AH!....ahahahahahaha .... FUNNY! Max S on FB : This is still not an authority to be scorned and is a great and humbling responsibility. sheepless ABCZ : ...AH!....ahahahahahaha .... sheepless AXYZ : still … no no … LSM co-workers do not have Deputy Authority over the animals at all! Their mota said himself cannot even control a mosquito … Max S on FB : Genesis 1:26 has nothing to do with God granting deputy authority to people to be over other people, or to represent God to other people. sheepless AXYZ : AHhhhh … LSM co-workers do not claim authority over ‘other people’. They only control their One Publication buyers. If you don’t buy from them, they cannot control you … Max S on FB : I think we can all grant that Genesis 1:26 shows an amount of delegated authority through men, but the exercise of that authority is over animals, and does not support the LSM local church “deputy authority” of humans being the acting God over other humans. Max S on FB : This leap would be akin to saying that because God made someone a farmer, this means He meant them to be President of the United States. What about farmers in Canada and Mexico ?