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Little Flock/Local Church Spinoffs Various groups or ministries which are lead by former members/followers of Watchman Nee's Little Flock or Witness Lee's Local Church |
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Just saw this thread and question. I do believe it was 1974. I had just come into the church in Berkeley a month or so earlier, with hair down to the middle of my back and a new love for Christ in my heart! And it was the Anaheim Convention Center because the new Anaheim meeting hall was not quite completed. They called Max, James, John & Bill the "Four Living Creatures." I had certainly never experienced anything like it before (or since) and it was quite the speaking! Many said what a shame it was that I couldn't hear brother Lee speak, but at the time I wasn't real sure who he even was . . .
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Some here may be interested in the link below that contains many handwritten notes by Bill Mallon made during two periods of Local Church "rebellions" (1977-78 and 1987-1992).
These notes are collaborative historical evidence that will aid in confirming what is true about these two so-called "rebellions." (Many of today's church-kids were born around the time Bill was making these notes.) His notes have not been made public before now. Over the years, the Living Stream Ministry leadership has rewritten history to support their own narrative (their cover-up) of the truth about things that happened during these so-called rebellions. Out of respect for Bill, before reading any of his notes please read first all of the material in the topic/thread that begins with “Bill’s Request: ...” (It is also found at the link below.) Bill Mallon Speaks Posthumously |
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Bill Mallon? R.I.P. I forgive you for pushing Lee's ruse.
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Someone brought to my attention that some of the threads containing Bill's notes are missing. (There should be 27 threads with notes from his notebooks and 2 more threads with notes that were in envelopes.) I finally figured out that all the threads are visible only to users who are registered and logged in. A recent software update may be the culprit. I will put in a support ticket tomorrow. So, for now, until the problem is solved, the only way to see the rest of the threads appears to be to register and log in. Sorry for the inconvenience. |
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Thanks Jane - envelop 2 (March 1978 - December 1978) is now visible on the website. Envelop 1 must be just before that, and is still not visible. Reading some of these (there is a lot) brings back a lot of memories!
So his notes presented from the 70's are many times more detailed and prolific than his ones from the late 80s. Did he change his style during that time, or thought it was not needed to be so detailed, or . . . . ?
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It ultimately came down to choosing between his conscience and walk with the Lord or his livelihood. He took the way of the cross, which is always the right way, but definitely not the easy way. I think a good number of his notes in the 80s were related to finding possible employment at his more advanced age, so they could have food on the table and a place to put the table. |
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Well, thanks again Jane! Over the last few days I have spent hours going over Bill's notes, reading things from your book, and various other sources of LC history, etc. As I've said on other threads on here, the Lord really preserved me while in the LC, and kept the knowledge of 98% of these funky things from me. I see now that these things happening in the "background" (at least to me), were key reasons the level of Christ's life was getting low in various places in the LC.
I did read where a brother who was with WL in the 60s, attributed much of Lee's good ministry at the time to the fact that Lee spent considerable time repenting and asking the Lord for mercy. However, things began to go off the rails in the 70s, as Lee's various weaknesses manifested themselves. He also repented late in life, lamenting about how little love was in his ministry and the LCs. Love is the key ingredient, that I think was missing, and would have made a big difference in many of the unrighteous dealings you and others experienced. Without love the LC was like an unturned cake, and many got burned. I praise Him that he preserved me from many of these things and got me out of that elitist system! Now (hopefully) comes healing forgiveness in us toward all those leaders acting so unrighteously (because Christ has first forgiven us of so much)!
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It was so sad to read about Bill Mallon's passing. I was in the LC in Atlanta when Bill Mallon was one of three elders. I came in 1973 and my husband and I were married in the LC in 1974. We left in 1981. We had a hard time going back to the traditional denominational meetings and it was during that time that the Charismatic movement was begining to flouish, so we went that way for a while for the life. I didn't keep in contact with anyone because once you left you were pretty much ostracized. I didn't realized he had left the LC or I would have contacted him. We had moved to West Palm Beach in 1981. I wish so much that I had known.
I wondered where Bill Mallon and John Ingalls fellowshipped after they left the local church. Does anyone know? |
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