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[awareness]

Originally Posted by OBW

Leave the flag outside. Pledge to it elsewhere. Sing to it elsewhere. Just not within the worship of God.

Considering what Matthew(?) has Jesus saying on the mount, concerning taking oaths : not to 'heaven, earth, or even Jerusalem,' I don't know if we should take our patriotism that far. The JW's take it literally, so they won't salute the flag.

Like most of us, I grew up saying the pledge of allegiance, hand on heart. But I grew up and found it silly. I was born on the earth, not Mars, so why pledge to just a small section of geography? I resented that I was made to do it.

Now I don't. But at least I can quote Jesus.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by awareness

Considering what Matthew(?) has Jesus saying on the mount, concerning taking oaths : not to 'heaven, earth, or even Jerusalem,' I don't know if we should take our patriotism that far. The JW's take it literally, so they won't salute the flag.

Like most of us, I grew up saying the pledge of allegiance, hand on heart. But I grew up and found it silly. I was born on the earth, not Mars, so why pledge to just a small section of geography? I resented that I was made to do it.

Now I don't. But at least I can quote Jesus.

While we typically compel the young to recite the pledge at least periodically (it was not daily in my youth, but at times), we require it somewhat as part of the oath an alien must recite to become a citizen. As long as we consider it as a lesser love, devotion, etc., to that of Christ, it is not a problem.

On a related issue — the US invovlement in various military conflicts around the world — some go so far as to be pacifist due to their understanding of the command not to kill. Others follow a "just war" theory. And others have no particular thought on the matter as long as the country is involved. I probably tend toward the latter, but with reservations, especially when the "war" is not strongly supported and declared by Congress rather than just the Administration. And remote financial interests are hard to use as justification, though there are arguably other justifications in the recent undertakings.

But I do think that the status of the US as the global police force is a bit beyond what our role should be. NATO and the UN are not our rubber stamps for what we want. If they don't want to get involved in every conflict, we should listen, not just force ourselves. We need a balance between global involvement and isolationism and I think we are too far to the global involvement side at the present.

[Sons to Glory!]

Hard to figure out how it should all look exactly in this age! Someone recently suggested to me that we perhaps should vote people in that are globalists, so as to usher in the one world thing, and then this would facilitate Christ's 2nd coming. Who knows - hard to tell without His leading in such matters!

But our trust is in Him and when the King returns He will set it all straight! In the mean time, the swamp is a funky and confusing place . . .

[Sons to Glory!]

I read something yesterday that my (very conservative) dad sent it to me, about how impeaching Trump would be a good thing. It talked about how when formal impeachment proceedings occur, Trump's team would then have wide latitude to subpoena anybody they want. So, as the piece went, they could bring to light all the rumors about supposed underhanded dealings against Trump.

As most seem to agree, it went on to reiterate that the Republican Senate would never vote to remove Trump. But all this shadowy stuff from the left would have been brought into the light, which potentially could be very damaging to democrats - and would thereby insure Trump's reelection.

Politic is like an evil chess game . . .

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

I read something yesterday that my (very conservative) dad sent it to me, about how impeaching Trump would be a good thing. It talked about how when formal impeachment proceedings occur, Trump's team would then have wide latitude to subpoena anybody they want. So, as the piece went, they could bring to light all the rumors about supposed underhanded dealings against Trump.

As most seem to agree, it went on to reiterate that the Republican Senate would never vote to remove Trump. But all this shadowy stuff from the left would have been brought into the light, which potentially could be very damaging to democrats - and would thereby insure Trump's reelection.

Politic is like an evil chess game . . .

After being in the local church cult, I want nothing to do with any other cult ... including the cult of Trump :

The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the President Uses Mind Control

https://www.amazon.com/Cult-Trump-Le...s%2C138&sr=8-1

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

After being in the local church cult, I want nothing to do with any other cult ... including the cult of Trump :

The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the President Uses Mind Control

https://www.amazon.com/Cult-Trump-Le...s%2C138&sr=8-1

Sorry Bro, but you have joined the Progressive Cult, the biggest Cult there is.

Their chief tenet of faith is globalism and planet earth. They worship and serve the creation rather than the Creator.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sorry Bro, but you have joined the Progressive Cult, the biggest Cult there is.

Their chief tenet of faith is globalism and planet earth. They worship and serve the creation rather than the Creator.

Yes, there's lots of cults out there. We exLCers shouldn't in any of them.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

I read something yesterday that my (very conservative) dad sent it to me, about how impeaching Trump would be a good thing. It talked about how when formal impeachment proceedings occur, Trump's team would then have wide latitude to subpoena anybody they want. So, as the piece went, they could bring to light all the rumors about supposed underhanded dealings against Trump.

As most seem to agree, it went on to reiterate that the Republican Senate would never vote to remove Trump. But all this shadowy stuff from the left would have been brought into the light, which potentially could be very damaging to democrats - and would thereby insure Trump's reelection.

Politic is like an evil chess game . . .

Ahh ... But at least chess games have rules which both sides agree to. This Current impeachment "inquiry" is not following any rules. No House vote. Not led by Judiciery Committee. Meetings held in secret. Manuscrpts not available to Minority. "Whistle blower" working with House Committee. Etc.

As I watch the media propaganda in operation, I now understand how totalitarian regimes can use the Press to control the minds of its people.

The good thing is we still have alternative sources to find the truth. I have concluded long ago that nearly without exception everything the Trump admin is accused of is exactly what the Left is doing. The current events surrounding Ukraine is a classic example of this. Romans 2.1 has always defined evil.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Ahh ... But at least chess games have rules which both sides agree to. This Current impeachment "inquiry" is not following any rules. No House vote. Not led by Judiciery Committee. Meetings held in secret. Manuscrpts not available to Minority. "Whistle blower" working with House Committee. Etc.

As I watch the media propaganda in operation, I now understand how totalitarian regimes can use the Press to control the minds of its people.

The good thing is we still have alternative sources to find the truth. I have concluded long ago that nearly without exception everything the Trump admin is accused of is exactly what the Left is doing. The current events surrounding Ukraine is a classic example of this. Romans 2.1 has always defined evil.

One thing about the current state of American politics is it reminds me so much of the Local Churches I left behind.
Talk about rules and how the current House changed the rules back on August 12. Ironically the same day the whistleblower sent in her/his letter.
Much the same was the local churches in the mid to late 80's when LSM co-workers changed the rules by which many elders had operated by for years. They felt undermined and manipulated. I'm sure many of those GOP in the House ore Representatives are voicing much the same.
Just as the left is accusing Trump of what they're doing, the LSM co-workers accused Ingalls, So, Mallon, etc of doing what they the LSM co-workers were doing.
Whenever Speaker Pelosi is declaring Trump as being lawless, I say "mirror". She, Schiff, etc are projecting exactly what they are doing. When there was talk about investigating into Ukraine, why the backlash? What is there to hide? Crowdstrike? Nepotism? Just like the LSM, the liberals in power of US Government have something they are desperate to keep hidden.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Terry

One thing about the current state of American politics is it reminds me so much of the Local Churches I left behind.
Talk about rules and how the current House changed the rules back on August 12. Ironically the same day the whistleblower sent in her/his letter.
Much the same was the local churches in the mid to late 80's when LSM co-workers changed the rules by which many elders had operated by for years. They felt undermined and manipulated. I'm sure many of those GOP in the House ore Representatives are voicing much the same.
Just as the left is accusing Trump of what they're doing, the LSM co-workers accused Ingalls, So, Mallon, etc of doing what they the LSM co-workers were doing.
Whenever Speaker Pelosi is declaring Trump as being lawless, I say "mirror". She, Schiff, etc are projecting exactly what they are doing. When there was talk about investigating into Ukraine, why the backlash? What is there to hide? Crowdstrike? Nepotism? Just like the LSM, the liberals in power of US Government have something they are desperate to keep hidden.

Yes, the similarities of lawlessness are seen everywhere.

Many comparisons between today's Impeachment and the Whistler Quarantine Kangaroo Court.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Terry

One thing about the current state of American politics is it reminds me so much of the Local Churches I left behind.
Talk about rules and how the current House changed the rules back on August 12. Ironically the same day the whistleblower sent in her/his letter.
Much the same was the local churches in the mid to late 80's when LSM co-workers changed the rules by which many elders had operated by for years. They felt undermined and manipulated. I'm sure many of those GOP in the House ore Representatives are voicing much the same.
Just as the left is accusing Trump of what they're doing, the LSM co-workers accused Ingalls, So, Mallon, etc of doing what they the LSM co-workers were doing.
Whenever Speaker Pelosi is declaring Trump as being lawless, I say "mirror". She, Schiff, etc are projecting exactly what they are doing. When there was talk about investigating into Ukraine, why the backlash? What is there to hide? Crowdstrike? Nepotism? Just like the LSM, the liberals in power of US Government have something they are desperate to keep hidden.

If you don't want to impeach Trump, and toss him out of office, you aren't part of the 51% of the recent Fox poll.