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[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

I wasn't sure where to post this commentary noted on the right side of the forum so I picked this one.

From Watchman Nee:
Many Christians do not overcome because they have not failed enough.???? Many Christians have not committed enough sins yet.????

Well. That explains how they 'justified' their sins of fornication, adultery, their hypocrisy (especially Lee's)

Yes, I saw that too and wondered if there shouldn't be some commentary! Paul asks the question in Romans 6:1 - "Should we sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who have died to sin continue to live in it?"

But to be fair, what was Nee's intention in saying this? Let me take a stab at it. The flesh will always be the flesh and will not get any better, and God has left us with it for a purpose. But, even after all these years, we still try to do things out of the flesh. Why? Because perhaps we haven't fully seen the complete futility of our flesh and how bad it really is! In my two weekly men's fellowships we have a lot of discussion about the flesh, and recently we've had talk about how our flesh actually seems to be getting worse. This thought seems to have backing in scripture as Ephesians 4:22 says the flesh is being corrupted. But until we realize that the flesh is really evil and against God, we might not be as motivated to walk in spirit. (or, some might say that as we go on we just see the sinfulness of the flesh more clearly . . .)

We know that God often has to bring us to the very bottom, usually with much failure, before we can surrender and give ourselves fully to him. Is this what Nee is trying to say?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

The flesh will always be the flesh and will not get any better, and God has left us with it for a purpose. But, even after all these years, we still try to do things out of the flesh. Why? Because perhaps we haven't fully seen the complete futility of our flesh and how bad it really is!

The flesh is our biggest problem. It places undeniable demands on us all day long, and even into the night. Just feeding and hydrating the flesh is a constant concern. I hate the flesh, with all it's demands, but that doesn't stop me taking care of all the demands of the flesh all the time.

Is it any wonder that we hate the flesh?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

The flesh is our biggest problem. It places undeniable demands on us all day long, and even into the night. Just feeding and hydrating the flesh is a constant concern. I hate the flesh, with all it's demands, but that doesn't stop me taking care of all the demands of the flesh all the time.

Is it any wonder that we hate the flesh?

I mentioned that we've had a good deal of discussion around the flesh in my men's fellowships. Last week someone shared this thought (they said it had been around awhile): "When I'm going up to meet the Lord and my flesh is falling away . . . as it sinks out of sight I will speak to it and say, 'Thanks for escorting me to Christ all these years!'" So maybe we can say it's kind of a love/hate thing we have with the flesh!

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Yes, I saw that too and wondered if there shouldn't be some commentary! Paul asks the question in Romans 6:1 - "Should we sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who have died to sin continue to live in it?"

But to be fair, what was Nee's intention in saying this?
We know that God often has to bring us to the very bottom, usually with much failure, before we can surrender and give ourselves fully to him. Is this what Nee is trying to say?

I thought of Romans 6 too. I also wonder if there was more to this commentary by Nee but was cut short...perhaps I jumped the gun. However, Nee and Lee's spiritual reputation has become very questionable in recent years..especially Lee's.

What I know and have experienced myself is if we continuously sin, knowingly or not and we are GOD'S, we will hit rock bottom. But through the Mercy and Grace of God, He will shine shine His Light on our darkness, we will repent, we will completely surrender and give ourselves fully to Christ and seek Him deeply until God calls us home.

In addition to our confession, He restores our inner peace and gives Joy unspeakable. HE HEALS our spiritual and emotional wounds. He is faithful to supply all our earthly needs. He makes all things new. He will never leave us or forsake us. He renews our mind in Christ Jesus. He transforms us. He sanctifies us. His Goodness and Mercy follows us all the days of our lives.

And if continuously grab hold and apply His Cleansing Blood, Jesus will keep us from sinning. He will protect us from the evil one. He will strengthen our spirit and soul..even our mortal body although this one seems to be more slow going. {sigh}

THIS IS A FACT! God keeps His Word.
Glory to His Holy and Blessed Name.