Science scratches its' head

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Raptor

I just ran into an evil answer, when answering questions on Quora. It lists all of these incidents in the Old Testament where people died like the flood, this and that battle, Egypt plaques and firstborn dead, etc. etc. I know the answer is evil, accusing God about all kinds of things. But I was at a loss of words concerning how even to begin to answer.

Since this post is now on Alt-Views, I can connect what is being done to "ruin" God's reputation to the same tactics designed to "ruin" America's reputation. Thru our educational system, America is being painted as an evil country with evil origins. The (mis-)treatment of African Americans and native Indians is their "proof."

For those who long to see evil in God and His word, there is no answer. Jesus said our faith must be as a child -- trusting in our earthly and our heavenly Father. God allows "reasons" for their unbelief so that no one is mentally compelled to believe in Him. Faith is a choice. Yet, we have options. We can see what we want to see, and believe what we want to believe. Two people look at the same events, one sees God is good, and one sees God is evil. That's the way it is. Some things don't make sense.

Going back to the OP's topic, why is it that some look at creation and see God's handiwork, and some only see evolution? How can they reconcile these positions? How can they look at creation and say there is no God, and then look at man's history and say God is evil?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Since this post is now on Alt-Views, I can connect what is being done to "ruin" God's reputation to the same tactics designed to "ruin" America's reputation. Thru our educational system, America is being painted as an evil country with evil origins. The (mis-)treatment of African Americans and native Indians is their "proof."

For those who long to see evil in God and His word, there is no answer. Jesus said our faith must be as a child -- trusting in our earthly and our heavenly Father. God allows "reasons" for their unbelief so that no one is mentally compelled to believe in Him. Faith is a choice. Yet, we have options. We can see what we want to see, and believe what we want to believe. Two people look at the same events, one sees God is good, and one sees God is evil. That's the way it is. Some things don't make sense.

Going back to the OP's topic, why is it that some look at creation and see God's handiwork, and some only see evolution? How can they reconcile these positions? How can they look at creation and say there is no God, and then look at man's history and say God is evil?

Amen bro Ohio, to faith. We need that to relate to God here today.

But all the way back to Plato -- those Greek smarty-pants -- it was said that man has within 'him' a moral compass. It's pretty obvisous that it is that moral compass that judges God's action in the OT as evil, and what early America did to the slaves and Indians as evil.

I have no problem agreeing with what early America did as wrong. Our founders in the declaration of Independence even agree :

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness . . ."

It just took us time to catch up to that truth. A truth that even the founders were hypocritical to.

The OT God is another matter. I'm unable to explain it. Sorry. All I have is theories and speculations.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I have no problem agreeing with what early America did as wrong. Our founders in the declaration of Independence even agree :

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness . . ."

Bro, didn't I already inform you that it was the [7th President Andrew] Jacksonian Democrats who broke the treaties with the Indians and prevented the emancipation of the slaves? Don't blame America, blame the Democrats! Go read some accurate history books please!

Andrew Jackson appointed the SCOTUS Justices who gave us that horrible Dred Scott decision in 1857. It was the Democrats in Congress, both in the North and the South, that did all they could to prevent the emancipation of slaves. Hundreds of thousands of American WHITE men died in the Civil War to free these slaves.

America has NO REASON WHATSOEVER to apologize for her past, and today Americans have every right to boast in their heritage and their flag!

If you still have serious problems with any past Americans for their crimes, then get a court order, exhume their bodies, put them on trial, and sentence them.

Other than that, please stop condemning the church and every Christian, America and every American, for the sins and failures of certain individuals in the past!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Bro, didn't I already inform you that it was the [7th President Andrew] Jacksonian Democrats who broke the treaties with the Indians and prevented the emancipation of the slaves? Don't blame America, blame the Democrats! Go read some accurate history books please!

Andrew Jackson appointed the SCOTUS Justices who gave us that horrible Dred Scott decision in 1857. It was the Democrats in Congress, both in the North and the South, that did all they could to prevent the emancipation of slaves. Hundreds of thousands of American WHITE men died in the Civil War to free these slaves.

America has NO REASON WHATSOEVER to apologize for her past, and today Americans have every right to boast in their heritage and their flag!

If you still have serious problems with any past Americans for their crimes, then get a court order, exhume their bodies, put them on trial, and sentence them.

Other than that, please stop condemning the church and every Christian, America and every American, for the sins and failures of certain individuals in the past!

Okay, okay, it's all the democrats fault.

None of the founders held slaves or killed Indians. If they did they were democrats. Cuz only democrats do bad things.

I get it bro Ohio. We all do.

And evolution is true cuz the democrats evolved from the apes.

[Sons to Glory!]

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[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

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I forgot to add that only the republicans were created by God ... so bro Ohio must believe.

But bro Ohio can't resist dragging politics into a science discussion.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Okay, okay, it's all the democrats fault.

None of the founders held slaves or killed Indians. If they did they were democrats. Cuz only democrats do bad things.

I get it bro Ohio. We all do.

And evolution is true cuz the democrats evolved from the apes.

Sorry, but I don't think you get it. Read your history. The founding fathers were split on slavery. About 50% had slaves. Eventually those who held slaves grouped into the Democratic Party, and those who fought for emancipation formed a new party with A. Lincoln.

Why do you make light of this historical record? And, btw, there never has been a single Republican who ever owned a slave. If you really hated racism and its evils, you would go around the world and condemn all the real villains instead of constantly taking keyboard potshots at all Americans.

Do you know that the sex slave trade is today rampant in the US? Where's your outcry? Where's the outcry by a single Democrat? The experts like Jaco Booyens tell us that President Trump and Governor Abbott are the only politicians currently advocating policy to protect these underage girls and boys. These experts are screaming for border security since that is where nameless child slaves are brought into the country.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sorry, but I don't think you get it. Read your history. The founding fathers were split on slavery. About 50% had slaves. Eventually those who held slaves grouped into the Democratic Party, and those who fought for emancipation formed a new party with A. Lincoln.

Why do you make light of this historical record? And, btw, there never has been a single Republican who ever owned a slave. If you really hated racism and its evils, you would go around the world and condemn all the real villains instead of constantly taking keyboard potshots at all Americans.

Do you know that the sex slave trade is today rampant in the US? Where's your outcry? Where's the outcry by a single Democrat? The experts like Jaco Booyens tell us that President Trump and Governor Abbott are the only politicians currently advocating policy to protect these underage girls and boys. These experts are screaming for border security since that is where nameless child slaves are brought into the country.

This is off topic on this thread. And there's no point in discussing these matters with you because your political prejudices have you so twisted that you make stupid disprovable statements like no republican has held slaves, and democrats aren't doing anything about the sex slave trading. I can easily disprove these claims but it won't do any good because your mind is already made up ... because you're hell bent on seeing these matters the way that you want, for unexplained irrational reasons.

If you must ... take it to the political thread.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

If you must ... take it to the political thread.

Oh no don't - this is fun to watch - two heavyweights (11k+ posts vs. 7k+ posts) going at it!

(BTW - either of you ever read Thomas Sowell's "Conflict of Visions"?)

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

This is off topic on this thread. And there's no point in discussing these matters with you because your political prejudices have you so twisted that you make stupid disprovable statements like no republican has held slaves, and democrats aren't doing anything about the sex slave trading. I can easily disprove these claims but it won't do any good because your mind is already made up ... because you're hell bent on seeing these matters the way that you want, for unexplained irrational reasons.

If you must ... take it to the political thread.

Sorry to upset you so. I just got a little upset with your cheap shots. My bad.