What is true?

[stillseekingtruth]

Originally Posted by aron

Nell gave good advice - let go of everything you thought you knew and trust him. That was what I was saying, with my previous post.

As far as interpretation of the Word there are fantastic resources out there. But at it's core it's very simple, that was what I was trying to say earlier. If you have the basics then you can navigate the complexities.

The LC system is such a complete and thorough mind-rape that it's best to drop it all. If you were sucked into the 24/7/365 "church life" as many of us were, just start from the basics and move on. Give yourself one or two simple questions that you can answer in the affirmative, and you'll go forward. I mean, if God didn't raise Jesus from the dead on the third day, then we're just all wasting our time here. If he did, then we have hope and we go on.

The gospel is very simple but it's very deep. That is what has drawn, and continues to draw, seekers through the centuries. My own 'starting point' is the two great gospel messages in Acts, one by the Galilean fisherman Peter and one by the urban Pharisee Paul. Both use almost identical phrases and imagery. Compare Acts 2:24-32 with Acts 13:30-38. It's the same gospel. Why should any of us try to re-invent it?

Thank you. I've been asked why I ask so many questions and why I overthink things in the LR. The gospel is quite clear. But what is life after the gospel? What is life after salvation? trying to do good and please God? Trying to grow in Christ and allowing Him to make home in our heart? Trying to deny our self, dying to our self, lying on the floor and taking it because that's what Jesus would do and that's how we cover one another? When do we have permission to call out the wicked? And when we call out the wicked, we must come to the light and see our own wickedness and then we succumb to the idea that life just sucks and we have to take whatever comes our way because a. we live in a fallen world b. there will always be suffering and c. a dead person doesn't feel.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by stillseekingtruth

And when we call out the wicked, we must come to the light and see our own wickedness and then we succumb to the idea that life just sucks and we have to take whatever comes our way because a. we live in a fallen world b. there will always be suffering and c. a dead person doesn't feel.

stillseekingtruth, I laughed reading this. Are not the Blended brothers also "dead?" Didn't they teach, "a dead person doesn't feel?"

So why are they now so upset? Why are they calling special meetings? Why are they basically cursing the Casteels' and others who speak their heart?

Simple. They are hypocrites. They teach one thing, and do something else. The Lord had much to say about these "Pharisees."

[byHismercy]

Hi sister. Man, my heart really goes out to you, empathizes with you, and relates to you. Like Aron said, it is mind rape that has happened here. The LC tried to strip you of your everything. Your humanity. Your thinking, processing truth vs lies, your common sense, your emotions and feelings. Your decision making ability to say for yourself what is right and wrong. That is what they employ to get people to accept their lies.

You have a million questions now and that is wonderful. Question everything you learned from them. It is complicated, learning how to study the bible. But if you trust Christ you have everything you need to do this. You have the living Holy Spirit of God with you. He will guide you if you acknowledge Him in everything.

Kevin Thompsons' YouTube channel Beyond the Fundamentals has a really great series on how to study the bible. It is helping me. It begins with questioning the text. Ask who, what, when, where, why, and how of everyone and everything.

When I was seeking answers to rebut doctrine in the SDA cult specifically for a friend of mine in that group, I would write my question at the top of a sheet of paper and then look at scripture and YouTube, and ask the Lord for help. I would write down every verse He showed me and I was really amazed at the answers flowing to me with seemingly no effort. Truly, if you seek, you will find!! God never lied to us, sister. The LC is a quagmire of deception but in Him is no lie.

Human beings are His masterpiece, sister. I just want to encourage you. It is not that surprising that you have emotional and mental struggles after coming through the thought/humanity suppression system that is the LC. I think your human response is pretty darn reasonable. People are so complex and especially us women, I believe. We are especially vulnerable, emotionally. But that is not a wicked thing. This is how the Lord designed us. Jesus Himself was a deep well of emotion, especially when it comes to us who need His healing. And we are not here to be ascetics. If the Lord personally tells you to set something down, obey. But don't take the Lee ministrys' word for it, nor anyone elses'. Look for the truth in the word of God. He is capable of speaking to you through the Holy Spirit regarding any and all things. Especially if you ask Him for His wisdom and leading.

Be encouraged, sister! Jesus loved you, He proved His great love for us by His death, and He resurrected and is the fountain of life unto us who believe on Him! He took our lashes to spare us. He didn't want that to fall to you. Rest in Him, sister. He is our sabbath, our rest.

byHisMercy

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Rest in Him, sister. He is our sabbath, our rest.

byHisMercy

Amen, he is indeed.

bHm, I assume the Lord crystalized this nugget of truth for you while researching SDA. Am I right?

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Jo S

Amen, he is indeed.

bHm, I assume the Lord crystalized this nugget of truth for you while researching SDA. Am I right?

He did use the book of Hebrews to shine on my study at that time. And that He is our rest to enter into was the main point impressed on my heart from Hebrews. But I don't like that word crystalization used in conjunction with bible study because of LSM. I prefer plain English these days. You know, say what you mean and mean what you say. But I am probably just prejudiced against that terminology. ;-)

Perhaps I should just look that word up.....but I doubt it would change my feeling on that WL flavored speech.

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

He did use the book of Hebrews to shine on my study at that time. And that He is our rest to enter into was the main point impressed on my heart from Hebrews. But I don't like that word crystalization used in conjunction with bible study because of LSM. I prefer plain English these days. You know, say what you mean and mean what you say. But I am probably just prejudiced against that terminology. ;-)

Perhaps I should just look that word up.....but I doubt it would change my feeling on that WL flavored speech.

Oops, I didn't know that word was part of Local Church lingo. What I meant by "crystalize" was that sometimes certain things are known to us in our spirit but it's until only later that the Lord actually articulates and aligns certain truths to us in mind as well.

That's what happened with me concerning the Sabbath. I knew observing a set apart day for sabbath was no longer required of us and that being in Jesus was our fulfillment of that commandment but it wasn't aligned with my theology until I started researching the Hebrew Roots movement. Only then did I really get it. I assumed that happened for you as well since SDA and HR both teach a literal sabbath.

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Jo S

Oops, I didn't know that word was part of Local Church lingo. What I meant by "crystalize" was that sometimes certain things are known to us in our spirit but it's until only later that the Lord actually articulates and aligns certain truths to us in mind as well.

That's what happened with me concerning the Sabbath. I knew observing a set apart day for sabbath was no longer required of us and that being in Jesus was our fulfillment of that commandment but it wasn't aligned with my theology until I started researching the Hebrew Roots movement. Only then did I really get it. I assumed that happened for you as well since SDA and HR both teach a literal sabbath.

No, it is a perfectly harmless word. It just has the misfortune to be tied by association to the LC ministry. Probably on every banner ever printed up, extra large. And most of the Holy Word for Morning Revival. And I did look it up. To make something clear, precise. Perfectly functional word! And yes, to see that Christ literally IS our sabbath. Sets us free from keeping that law. It seems HR and SDA have a bit in common. No, an observation of a particular day is no longer a requirement. We are free from that. And let me say, simultaneously, as I understand Roman's 14 (I think) I can safely support others if they do see a day as special, or marked separate from other days, to observe. While I am still free from the obligation. Isn't Jesus awesome? Bless God, brother!