Predators in the church

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Au contraire.

In my experience the ONLY thing that fixed me was the healing power of the Holy Spirit, and an understanding of what the word of God really means in regards to LR deceptions.

Learned, Spirit-inspired Christian counseling is fine. Secular psychology by itself can help, but only in the way a crutch can help. It cannot solve the underlying fundamental problem of spiritual deception and injury.

Only Jehovah Rapha can do that. God the Healer. Believe Him, receive Him.

I'm very happy for you Igzy. And thanks for your proclamations.

But I know two saints that's been calling on the lord for decades, pray-reading, attending conferences, and one, elder's meetings, that are deep in the closet gays, that haven't been "healed."

And I knew a brother in the c. in Miami who was told the the LC, and Jesus, couldn't cure his alcoholism, and was told to go to AA ... where even "your higher power" couldn't cure him.

But I'm glad the lord saved you. You must be special, or marked out for a purpose.

But, apparently, not everyone is.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by awareness

I'm very happy for you Igzy. And thanks for your proclamations.

But I know two saints that's been calling on the lord for decades, pray-reading, attending conferences, and one, elder's meetings, that are deep in the closet gays, that haven't been "healed."

And I knew a brother in the c. in Miami who was told the the LC, and Jesus, couldn't cure his alcoholism, and was told to go to AA ... where even "your higher power" couldn't cure him.

But I'm glad the lord saved you. You must be special, or marked out for a purpose.

But, apparently, not everyone is.

Your unbelief is a lie and stronghold of the devil.

Sorry, Harold. It's just a fact. And one day you will look me in the eye and say, "You were right."

Besides, if psychology can heal, then that is God's doing, because he made everything. Water cannot rise above its own level. No one can do better than God could have.

God may tell you to go to a doctor or psychologist. But neither can do anything God didn't empower them to do. So everything is from him.

But we are talking about not just physical or psychological healing, but spiritual healing. By definition only God can do that.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Your unbelief is a lie and stronghold of the devil.

Sorry, Harold. It's just a fact. And one day you will look me in the eye and say, "You were right."

Besides, if psychology can heal, then that is God's doing, because he made everything. Water cannot rise above its own level. No one can do better than God could have. So really you are just talking nonsense.

You really do not know what you are talking about.

I also have similar stories among my extended Southern Baptist church family members.

And how many dynamic high powered mega-church pastors have we've seen fall?

This has nothing to do with "my unbelief." It has to do with observations facts. Does it turn me off to Jesus? NO! In fact, I've help them get thru it.

But telling them to just call on the name of Jesus is not the answer. It certainly doesn't help the predators in the LC.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by awareness

But telling them to just call on the name of Jesus is not the answer. It certainly doesn't help the predators in the LC.

This is a red herring. No one ever said "just call on the name of Jesus." I certainly didn't. I said only God can truly heal someone spiritually.

This is true by definition. Human beings don't have access to anything healthy in the spiritual realm except through God. If you are damaged spiritually only God can heal you. Everything else is a band-aid. Period.

[Raptor]

Am I dreaming? Or sometime like 2 or 3 years ago while browsing this site was their a whole thread about some kind of rape or sexual abuse in the FTT London by a certain person called Joker?

[Nell]

More abuse...
Nell

[PriestlyScribe]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Am I dreaming? Or sometime like 2 or 3 years ago while browsing this site was their a whole thread about some kind of rape or sexual abuse in the FTT London by a certain person called Joker?

Not sure about there having been a thread here concerning that claim, but there is a video by a brother named Jakub in London who talks about something very similar. He is a little hard to understand but that's what I got out of his testimony.

Here is that video:
Jakub from EUROPE Exposes Spiritual and Sexual Abuse!

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