Nigel Tomes - LSM's Unorthodox Satanology

[ZNPaaneah]

This whole "darkness is the absence of light" argument contradicts the fact that God is omnipresent.

The Bible says "where shall I go and God is not there? If I make my bed in Sheol behold, God is there". What they are saying is that because God is absent, not there, then evil some how spontaneously generates.

For this argument to be true several things have to be true:

1. Some other entity is responsible for evil.

Therefore you have more than one creator, whoever it is that created whatever it is that "tainted" man and made him evil.

2. Deny the Lordship of God. Jesus is Lord. That is today. I can pray to Him and I have an advocate. The buck stops with Him. He is above all.

But according to this doctrine Jesus is not responsible, not in this age. That is to deny the Lordship of Jesus.

3. Deny that God is omnipresent.

4. Fudge that God is omniscient. He doesn't actually foresee all things, He simply knows that some things are possible and "could happen".

But there is another problem as well. Take Oskar Schindler. This is the adulterous man who took all of his money and exchanged it for Jews who were destined for the gas chamber. The Jews honor him greatly as a righteous man, a man of faith.

But none of the glory of that faith would have been revealed had it not been for Hitler and the gas chambers.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This whole "darkness is the absence of light" argument contradicts the fact that God is omnipresent.

ZNP,

Darkness is the absence of light. Everyone knows that. Because God is omnipresent doesn't mean darkness is of him. That's an invalid argument. It's mixing apples and oranges.

God didn't create evil, he defined it. It's anything contrary to him.

This subject is fodder for "Alternative Views," not the main board. And we've already discussed it anyway.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Igzy

ZNP,

Darkness is the absence of light. Everyone knows that. Because God is omnipresent doesn't mean darkness is of him. That's an invalid argument. It's mixing apples and oranges.

God didn't create evil, he defined it. It's anything contrary to him.

This subject is fodder for "Alternative Views," not the main board. And we've already discussed it anyway.

This discussion began Post #275 Sons to Glory! asked 3 questions.

My argument is not that Darkness is of God. Jo S is saying Evil is a result of people like Hitler "partaking of darkness". I am simply trying to get clarification on how anyone could partake of the "absence" of something, and how that "absence" could create evil?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This discussion began Post #275 Sons to Glory! asked 3 questions.

My argument is not that Darkness is of God. Jo S is saying Evil is a result of people like Hitler "partaking of darkness". I am simply trying to get clarification on how anyone could partake of the "absence" of something, and how that "absence" could create evil?

The Problem of evil thread on Alternative Views more than covers this. I'm sure more could be said. I'm sure Sons to Glory could add something to it.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This discussion began Post #275 Sons to Glory! asked 3 questions.

My argument is not that Darkness is of God. Jo S is saying Evil is a result of people like Hitler "partaking of darkness". I am simply trying to get clarification on how anyone could partake of the "absence" of something, and how that "absence" could create evil?

I can't believe you are asking that question. Remove God from your life and see what happens. Look at the Soviet Union. They tried their best to remove God and look what they got.

Sometimes you miss the obvious Z, by getting caught up in the semantics.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Igzy

I can't believe you are asking that question. Remove God from your life and see what happens. Look at the Soviet Union. They tried their best to remove God and look what they got.

Sometimes you miss the obvious Z, by getting caught up in the semantics.

Asking questions is the best way for people to learn. You spent too much time with people telling you a question mark looks like a snake.

Well that is a good explanation. The creation is designed so that we need God, without Him you will veer off. What is rebellion but choosing to go your own way apart from God. That is what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents. They chose to disobey God's direct command and go their own way. Instead of learning at the feet of God they then embark on a path of trial and error with a lot of error. Because God created man with a free will He made us so that we could choose to be like Mary sitting at His feet, listening and learning, but also like Peter spouting our own opinions, or Thomas, or even Judas.

But Jo S will not like your explanation because it means there is no evil creator, no "taint". God created a universe that includes man's free will and within that is the option for people to be Judas, Nero, Hitler, etc. But it is Biblical, fully aligned with Colossians chapter 1:16, and John 1:1-3

But Romans 7 is still problematic. What is dwelling in our flesh according to this interpretation is the predilection to walk according to sight and not by faith.

Consider this analogy -- God is like the gyroscope within the airplane that allows you to fly on course. Once we sinned our body became the flesh, and became disconnected from that gyroscope. Since we still have to plot a course the ego took over (with the super ego giving a running critique). So "sin dwells in me" is like saying "error, rebellion and every shameful thing dwells in me". He is referring to the id.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So "sin dwells in me" is like saying "error, rebellion and every shameful thing dwells in me". He is referring to the id.

It means we are broken at a very fundamental level. Lee's speculation that Satan dwells in us is unnecessary, and his "biblical" evidence for it is lame.

Of course, he's the MOTA, so we all should just shut up and believe whatever he tells us to believe. Then we will be happy.