New Comic Strip -- MOTA

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Where can I find what LSM considers "the age" in the MOTA phrase? What is their definition of "age". Age of grace? Church age? New Testament age? 20th century? Last days age?

In his book "Vision of the Age," Lee would identify one or two MOTA's for each century. What a joke. Lee equated the Recovery to the lineage of MOTA's starting with Luther. Then he went on to identify an obscure French nun named Guyon as Luther's successor, saying that all ministers must go to her if they wanted to know the Lord's up-to-date speaking. Huh?

How can anyone take Lee's version of church history seriously? It was all so self-serving, with gaping holes in his historical theories, until JNDarby came along followed by WNee. How convenient for those whose memory of church history only went back a century or so. Exclusive Brethren also re-enacted these same mythological genealogies as the Roman popes, and today boast of "Oracles" going back to Darby.

The only surprise here is the breakdown begun with the Blendeds "We." Where's the beef, I mean "Where's my MOTA?"

How can we have "Recovery" with no MOTA? How can we ever know what God wants to say?

[Cal]

Nee and Lee came up with the concept of MOTA and applied it to themselves, creating a back-history mythology to support it. Then, just a soon as the concept was "recovered," there are conveniently no more MOTAs. Amazing!

So Nee and Lee were the only MOTAs who "knew" they were MOTAs. That doesn't raise any suspicions?

I have the feeling that Titus Chu always expected to be the next MOTA. He was as "qualified" as any and more than most. That's why the Blendeds had to squash him. Of course, he would have been a disaster in that role, being the bully that he was. It would have been like going from Lenin to Stalin.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Igzy

I have the feeling that Titus Chu always expected to be the next MOTA. He was as "qualified" as any and more than most. That's why the Blendeds had to squash him. Of course, he would have been a disaster in that role, being the bully that he was. It would have been like going from Lenin to Stalin.

There was whispers in the alleys in Asia of "Nee, Lee, Chu."

And there definitely would have been some "purges," recovery style.

Lee himself saw it coming. TC knew him better than any. Lee knew that only MOTA WE could stand up against MOTA TC.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Lee knew that only MOTA WE could stand up against MOTA TC.

That's why the age turned. Suddenly spiritual giants were a threat. So MOTA WE declared that age over, cutting off MOTA TC at the pass. TC had 2 choices - become a small potato and grovel - sorry, submit - or get out.

And on such the ages of humankind are supposed to hinge.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by aron

That's why the age turned. Suddenly spiritual giants were a threat. So MOTA WE declared that age over, cutting off MOTA TC at the pass. TC had 2 choices - become a small potato and grovel - sorry, submit - or get out.

And on such the ages of humankind are supposed to hinge.

Witness Lee didn't even start the 4th Great Awakening. In fact, he and his We boys don't even rate in it. The whole movement is irrelevant in the scheme of the Christian world.

[Raptor]

Are there any papers here in this forum that offer a comprehensive and detailed scriptural exposition debunking the MOTA myth?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Are there any papers here in this forum that offer a comprehensive and detailed scriptural exposition debunking the MOTA myth?

I think you said it well enough in your post #75. The New Testament ministers were many, and they actually worked together without trashing each other in spite of occasional disagreements and getting corrected by another when they erred. Old Testament types of Noah, Moses, etc were types of Christ. MOTA is pure hogwash and doesn’t justify much more than a simple comparison between the real apostles and TLR’s to get clear.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Are there any papers here in this forum that offer a comprehensive and detailed scriptural exposition debunking the MOTA myth?

Raptor, this article is from "ConcernedBrothers.com" The website was fairly active during the Midwest quarantines.

One, Unique “Minister of the Age”? – What Did Watchman Nee Teach?


Another related article:

Witness Lee, the “Wise Master Builder,” & the “Acting God”

And another:

One, Unique ‘Minister of the Age’ – What do the “Blended Co-workers” Teach?

[aron]

Originally Posted by Ohio

In his book "Vision of the Age," Lee would identify one or two MOTA's for each century. What a joke.

Originally Posted by Igzy

Nee and Lee came up with the concept of MOTA and applied it to themselves, creating a back-history mythology to support it. Then, just a soon as the concept was "recovered," there are conveniently no more MOTAs. Amazing!

So Nee and Lee were the only MOTAs who "knew" they were MOTAs. That doesn't raise any suspicions?

It's fit for a comic strip.

Disciple: "MOTA, what's the vision of the age?"
MOTA: "That there's only one vision per age."
Disciple: "Okay, then what's the vision for this age?"
MOTA: "I told you - that there's one vision per age."
Disciple: "I don't get it."
MOTA: "You need the vision to get it."
Disciple: "What vision, MOTA?"
MOTA: "Easy, silly one. You have to have the vision of the age, to get it."
Disciple: "Ohhhh! Now I get it! I didn't understand it before! What a vision!"
MOTA: "Yes, it's nearly overwhelming, once you grasp it."

Seriously, it reminds me nothing so much as Pol Pot & Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. They took over, pronounced it the Year Zero, that humankind started over with them. The same self-obsessed hubris becoming collective lunacy.

Before Nee took over "the mantle", you could have multiple hymn-writers being simultaneously inspired by God to compose songs for the church. You could have Congregationalists in the Colonies and Methodists in England, Lutherans in Germany and Reformed Dutch in South Africa, all subjectively experiencing Christ, and expressing in a non-coordinated way the varied graces of God. The LC was kool with that, even called it their "goodly heritage".

Once Nee put quill to parchment, however, the age turned. Only one hymn-writing outlet, on the "proper ground", under the "genuine ministry". All others became instant Babylon. Amazing how fast it became the "Age of Oneness". Suddenly you couldn't do anything without "fellowship". If HQ didn't sign off, forget about it. Is it aligned with the vision? Then drop it.

I remember when some of the Jesus Freaks started putting psalms to music. Keith Green, "Create in me a clean heart". Some of it made it into the LC. When WL heard of this, he put the kibosh to it, right quick. We couldn't have anyone outside the "local ground" getting inspired by the Holy Spirit. Didn't you know the age had turned? Nothing out there. Babylon. MOTA says so, and he should know, right?

Or, what about Nee's fabled collection of 3,000 "Christian classics"? Do you think that 30 sequential MOTAs wrote 100 books each? No? Before Watchman Nee, one could (again) see multiple un-coordinated sources of inspiration and enlightenment. The Spirit of God could move over the face of the earth, and turn in the hearts of humanity, but once Nee started to minister, the Christian earth just dried up and became Babylon. In a stroke, Protestantism suddenly went from "Recovery" to "Great Gilded Harlot". No vision out there, any more.

Just amazing, how fast things changed... a 25-year-old in China copied Jessie Penn-Lewis and published "Spiritual Man" and the HS suddenly was limited to one human vessel at a time. What an age-turning vision.