Awoken after 38 Years

[RambleOn]

Does being a smoker self-evidently make you less credible or something?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by RambleOn

Does being a smoker self-evidently make you less credible or something?

LOL ... well yeah ... in that case, anyway. Ron was shamed by it. But Susan ruled the roost. When she told Ron to do something, Ron jumped ... like asking how high on the way up. I mean it. Saw it.

[HERn]

Do we know of any warnings that have gone out to the saints re: recent testimonies of saints leaving the recovery? I heard an email went out in OKC warning the saints not to gossip. Just wondering if I find out my Uncle Billy Bob was doing unethical things with some of the grandkids and I tell and warn the moms and dads to watch out for Uncle Billy Bob is that gossiping or due diligence doing my job as a parent? The warning by the elders and being-blinded-brothers of the need to cover drunken Noah is a deceptive lie propagated by evil spirits, I believe. Paul tells us to seek the benefit and well being of others not just ourselves, so we must speak the truth in love.

[Ohio]

Chatter on FaceBook indicates LSM at the recent "Feast" is in damage control, warning their peopl not to "touch death."

[aron]

The LSM/DCP/Blendeds say that Jo Casteel and Annie McArdle didn't follow Matthew 18 principles (private fellowship first) so the public complaints are invalid.

But John Ingalls and Steve Isitt already tried Matthew 18 with these guys, along with Bill Mallon, Max Rapoport, the Anaheim elder and many others. So it's time to tell the church. Matthew 18 principles dutifully came and went decades ago. Tell it now from the rooftops. Tell it again and again until the light comes.

[Gubei]

Originally Posted by aron

The LSM/DCP/Blendeds say that Jo Casteel and Annie McArdle didn't follow Matthew 18 principles (private fellowship first) so the public complaints are invalid.

But John Ingalls and Steve Isitt already tried Matthew 18 with these guys, along with Bill Mallon, Max Rapoport, the Anaheim elder and many others. So it's time to tell the church. Matthew 18 principles dutifully came and went decades ago. Tell it now from the rooftops. Tell it again and again until the light comes.

What difference was made if they had a private fellowship first?

[aron]

Originally Posted by Gubei

What difference was made if they had a private fellowship first?

Private fellowship first is recommended (commanded) by the Lord as a kind of protection or safeguard against stumbling and shame. With LSM, repeated attempts to privately and quietly address real concerns are met with either indifference or antagonism.

When the brothers, for instance, told WL about what his "New Way" was doing to the churches, smothering any real move of the Holy Spirit, he replied that they were "pouring cold water" on him. His system simply wasn't built to take in negative feedback. So this system should be exposed for what it is. It is a man-made, man-exalting system that turned programme enforcers into bullies, church members into unthinking automatons, and ejected how many thousands who could no longer take the disconnect and dispiriting abuse?

It's worth considering the "churn rate", or turnover, this group incurs. I suspect even the Mormons do a better job of retaining their YP. In my old locality there are maybe 3 left out of probably 65 or so, from 30 years ago. Maybe 4 or 5 are "serving the ministry" somewhere. Another 15 or 20 are meeting in other local churches. Many of the rest are not even practicing Christian any more. A few are meeting with other Christian groups.

What's the human cost of growing up in this system? The time for "covering" is long since gone.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by aron

The LSM/DCP/Blendeds say that Jo Casteel and Annie McArdle didn't follow Matthew 18 principles (private fellowship first) so the public complaints are invalid.

But John Ingalls and Steve Isitt already tried Matthew 18 with these guys, along with Bill Mallon, Max Rapoport, the Anaheim elder and many others. So it's time to tell the church. Matthew 18 principles dutifully came and went decades ago. Tell it now from the rooftops. Tell it again and again until the light comes.

Jane Anderson is another who tried to apply all the principles of Matt 18.

These characters are Gentiles. Treat them accordingly.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Jane Anderson is another who tried to apply all the principles of Matt 18.

So ironic that they're now appealing to due process when for decades their due process was, "Brother Lee is always right." It didn't matter how many witnesses lined up, per 2 Cor 13:1 (Deut 19:15). I remember a newspaper story circa 1989 where WL told the reporter that PL didn't want to talk about it. PL had "enjoyed" the serving sisters but now didn't want consequences... if Maximum Brother doesn't want to face the music, the band stops playing. But those days are over now. Wake up - the sun is shining. "Rise, sleeper, the day is far advanced". LSM needs to realise that "the age has turned", to use their terms. A new day has dawned, and the saints are going on... they can come along or be left behind.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by aron

The LSM/DCP/Blendeds say that Jo Casteel and Annie McArdle didn't follow Matthew 18 principles (private fellowship first) so the public complaints are invalid.

Where did you hear this?

[aron]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Where did you hear this?

On Friday, Jo Casteel posted on her FB page:

Joe Davis is a Director on the Board of Directors for LSM (see attached pic). He is also a Co-Worker high up in the LSM hierarchy. See here where he signed his name representing the regions, Europe and the UK... Is this not a conflict of interest that a board member of LSM is giving talks on LSM continuing on? He conveniently categorizes my account and others accounts as full of untruths, gossip, unhealthy words, idle and deceptive words, and rumors.

He also states that since the Matt 18 principle of fellowship was not followed (in his opinion) that the accounts are invalid. In Annie’s case, she did fellowship and the brothers covered it up. According to Matthew 18, if the elders don’t hear you- it’s time to tell it to the church. Isn’t this what Annie [McArdle] is doing? I did attempt to fellowship many times over the problems I saw in the church. It never went anywhere. I also felt it was time to “tell it to the church.” And for the record, I now believe “the church” is much larger than just the Lord’s recovery.

Joe Davis said, “we should always, always cover the brothers.” I’d like to see this principle in the New Testament. According to the Lord’s recovery definition, when Paul wrote a letter to the church in Corinth exposing what he did, Paul himself was “uncovering the brothers.” Why aren’t they pointing out how awful Paul was according to their definition? Where is the line between covering minor sins and covering abuses? Unfortunately, they are drawing a hard and ugly line right now by saying in context of abuses “always, always cover the brothers.”

Thoughts on this- is this ok? Is this even legal? Is this transformation? Should abuses always, always be covered? I’m shocked to hear a LSM Board member go on record saying “always, always cover the brothers.”

There are also links and photos but I didn't include them here. This group's leadership consistently leadership ignored Matthew 18 principles, and when others tried to use Matthew 18 principles and fellowship privately, spanning decades, they rebuffed every one. Now, a former member posts a letter on FB and they say, "Ignore it, they didn't follow Matthew 18".... ??

Watching this group's leaders, both current and former, I conclude that either A) there's no God and these scam artists are just trying to prop up their book publishing kingdom (Hey, everyone needs to make a living), or B) there is a God and these scam artists trying to prop up their book publishing kingdom must answer for selectively applying scripture to everyone but themselves.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I was booted out of the meeting hall in NY by an usher telling me they didn't want to talk to me. Hypocrites.

The best quote by WL was to the newspaper reporter, telling them his son PL "doesn't want to talk about it." No kidding. I get that. But was anyone except PL and WL able to exercise such prerogatives in the LR? And if not, who gave those two the exemption card?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by HERn

Do we know of any warnings that have gone out to the saints re: recent testimonies of saints leaving the recovery? I heard an email went out in OKC warning the saints not to gossip. Just wondering if I find out my Uncle Billy Bob was doing unethical things with some of the grandkids and I tell and warn the moms and dads to watch out for Uncle Billy Bob is that gossiping or due diligence doing my job as a parent? The warning by the elders and being-blinded-brothers of the need to cover drunken Noah is a deceptive lie propagated by evil spirits, I believe. Paul tells us to seek the benefit and well being of others not just ourselves, so we must speak the truth in love.

If these cretins at LSM only needed to be "covered" for getting "drunk," we would not need this forum to warn others, and attempt to assist those who desire to extricate themselves from the clutches of LSM.

"Drunken Noah" in the Bible was merely sleeping off a rough night, but the "Drunken Noahs" at LSM have been seriously hurting and deceiving many an innocent child of God.

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Ohio

If these cretins at LSM only needed to be "covered" for getting "drunk," we would not need this forum to warn others, and attempt to assist those who desire to extricate themselves from the clutches of LSM.

"Drunken Noah" in the Bible was merely sleeping off a rough night, but the "Drunken Noahs" at LSM have been seriously hurting and deceiving many an innocent child of God.

True, very good..