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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Mitch and Whitfield agreed that The Promise would be part of the LBL protection Act. It wasn't. The Forest Service says they never made such a promise. And since commercialization of LBL has been growing, and people from between the rivers can't stop it.

In short bro Ohio, it wasn't the pubbies that took the land from my family on both sides, but that damn demmie JFK. Still, it's been a bi-partisan screwing. And I suppose that's one good reason that politically I'm a mugwump.

Thanks for reply. While I disagree with you about a "keen memory," you seem to have enough ammo from the LBL takeover to hate all politicians. Sounds like you have the makings to be a libertarian mugwump. One of the reasons why we both like an outsider like Trump, who at least is trying to drain the swamp.

Liberal Politicians seem to love making national parts though. Obama did some of this recently out west. Seems like an easy sell to the rest of the country when we can save some endangered species and provide them with another vacation destination for their Daystar mobile home. But what about the locals, like your people in the LBL, who got screwed? I guess they were supposed to be happy with LBJ's welfare programs.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Thanks for reply. While I disagree with you about a "keen memory," you seem to have enough ammo from the LBL takeover to hate all politicians. Sounds like you have the makings to be a libertarian mugwump. One of the reasons why we both like an outsider like Trump, who at least is trying to drain the swamp.

Don't forget that one reason we don't like Trump is that he himself has also screwed people in a similar fashion. 2,000 lawsuits. Claims that contract workers don't get paid and can't fight it in court, and of course the people in Scotland are not thrilled with how he got his golf course built.

Not that any of that would be a reason to have voted for Clinton.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Don't forget that one reason we don't like Trump is that he himself has also screwed people in a similar fashion. 2,000 lawsuits. Claims that contract workers don't get paid and can't fight it in court, and of course the people in Scotland are not thrilled with how he got his golf course built.

Not that any of that would be a reason to have voted for Clinton.

Reminds me of a story my uncle told me. He was a union electrician building Jacobs Field in Cleveland in the early '90's. Bill Clinton threw out the first pitch. Life was good for the rich and famous.

Most of the sub-contractors on that huge project, however, never got paid in full. Many went bankrupt. Nasty business. I'm sure NYC skyscrapers were worse. Politicians and Developers each greasing each others palms.

Like I have repeatedly said. They're all crooks and liars. Both politicians and developers. My concern is their policy. Do they line their pockets selling our strategic uranium to Russia? Do they go soft on China's military ambitions to enrich their kid's hedge fund? Do they bribe Ukrainian officials to fire prosecutors looking into their own family? Do they start wars to enrich their empire? Do they cave into actresses and flip-flop on policy? Do they undermine our way of life by introducing failed socialistic policies? Do they advance political agenda by using use our intelligence? Stuff like that concerns me more.

[Ohio]

Recent events in the little town of Oberlin, west of Cleveland, are a show window into the current politicization of our Universities. When newly saved I used to visit a Christian coworker for a game of Chess and fellowship in that lovely little town.

This article explains how bad things have become. In the aftermath of Trump's election win, underage black youths got caught shoplifting wine at a neighborhood bakery. Instead of an isolated arrest, forcing our youth to be accountable for their criminal action, the College threw the shop owners under the bus, and broadcast this as racial profiling, citing historical slavery and every other crusade of our modern day social justice warriors.

Here's a snapshot from the article showing how horribly misinformed College officials had become . . .

A longtime Oberlin resident, Emily Crawford, who also worked in the school’s communications department, sent out an email to her bosses and then it was forwarded to senior members of the college’s administration. The email read:

“I have talked to 15 townie friends who are poc (persons of color) and they are disgusted and embarrassed by the protest. In their view, the kid was breaking the law, period (even if he wasn’t shoplifting, he was underage). To them this is not a race issue at all and they do not believe the Gibson's [store owners] are racist. They believe the students have picked the wrong target … “I find this misdirected rage very disturbing, and it’s only going to widen the gap (between) town and gown.”

Tita Reed, special assistant to the president for community and government relations, wrote back: “Doesn’t change a damn thing for me.”

Many are throwing out the “Woke and Broke” designation on this case – and though some may see this as a larger issue of the conservatives winning over liberals — that wasn’t really what was going on here. The judge kept politics out of this case, and the jury was actually deciding not so much on what the college did do, but what it did not do.

One of things they did not do is listen to the people who have been in Oberlin awhile and understand things like this. So, it’s not “Woke and Broke,” so much as “Dumb and Dumber.”

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

But what about the locals, like your people in the LBL, who got screwed? I guess they were supposed to be happy with LBJ's welfare programs.

The folks living between the rivers didn't like Native American Indians, until they learned their American government could do to them what it did to the First Nation Peoples.

As a result those driven out from between the rivers, and later generations, don't tend to trust or like government.

Christians should be that way. I know Paul said all governments are ordained of God. But writing to Rome, I think he said that to keep the Roman authorities from getting riled at him for converting the pagans away from worshiping their gods.

Besides, maybe God ordained governments back then, but not now, here in America, where our democratic system of government determines who our leaders are.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

The folks living between the rivers didn't like Native American Indians, until they learned their American government could do to them what it did to the First Nation Peoples.

As a result those driven out from between the rivers, and later generations, don't tend to trust or like government.

Christians should be that way. I know Paul said all governments are ordained of God. But writing to Rome, I think he said that to keep the Roman authorities from getting riled at him for converting the pagans away from worshiping their gods.

Besides, maybe God ordained governments back then, but not now, here in America, where our democratic system of government determines who our leaders are.

In the days of Daniel Boone anyone could try to live in a world disconnected from human government. Those days are gone. We have billions of people. Not thousands or millions. You cannot live apart from an organized society, and regardless of the structure of that organization there will be a "government".

Unbeknownst to most people they leave over 200 digital footprints each day. There is no anonymity, no independence.

Government is essential, yet look how disappointing most leaders are. Dictators manufacture a story, so they may seem like a "great leader" at the time, only for historians to later reveal the little man behind the curtain.

The real problem we have is not designing the constitution, but finding the leaders. We assume that if we have a good enough constitution then the people don't matter, yet the last 200 years has proved this is false.

This of course is the point of the NT. In the gospels we learn who the Lord is, and in the epistles we learn who the servants are.

[ZNPaaneah]

I think we would be better off if instead of dividing the state up into districts that vote for different representatives every person in the State should get to vote and the 2 Senators that get the most votes, as well as the 10 representatives that get the most votes (if the State is electing 10) get in. Doing this would effectively weaken the two party system because it would be easier for people with a specific agenda like environment, balanced budget, or abortion to get elected. It would make it easier to get the government to work because creating temporary coalitions over various legislation would be easier. It also means people would feel like their vote is being counted.

Their is no reason to do it the way we do now other than to establish a two party system. That two party system is the cause of all kinds of rancor and it makes it easier for the corporate oligarchy's an opportunity to control our govt.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think we would be better off if instead of dividing the state up into districts that vote for different representatives every person in the State should get to vote and the 2 Senators that get the most votes, as well as the 10 representatives that get the most votes (if the State is electing 10) get in. Doing this would effectively weaken the two party system because it would be easier for people with a specific agenda like environment, balanced budget, or abortion to get elected. It would make it easier to get the government to work because creating temporary coalitions over various legislation would be easier. It also means people would feel like their vote is being counted.

Their is no reason to do it the way we do now other than to establish a two party system. That two party system is the cause of all kinds of rancor and it makes it easier for the corporate oligarchy's an opportunity to control our govt.

The two party system is just a tag-team.

[ZNPaaneah]

Keith Raniere Nxivm trial: Why it's so hard to stop a cult

There is a trial in NY for a sex cult. One of the key pillars holding this thing up is legal abortions. Women enslaved and abused were also required to get abortions. Clearly abortion should not be "no questions asked". Anyone who has pushed that idea needs to feel responsibility for enabling this kind of abuse.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Keith Raniere Nxivm trial: Why it's so hard to stop a cult

There is a trial in NY for a sex cult. One of the key pillars holding this thing up is legal abortions. Women enslaved and abused were also required to get abortions. Clearly abortion should not be "no questions asked". Anyone who has pushed that idea needs to feel responsibility for enabling this kind of abuse.

Why women would fall for Raniere to the point of being branded with a wood burning tool.

With cults of all kinds out there, it makes me very concerned for the young ones growing up in this world today. Specially those growing up in cults, like the local church.

It's no surprise to me that Raniere forced the women he impregnated to get an abortion. Even those legislating against abortion do that to their mistresses.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

In the days of Daniel Boone anyone could try to live in a world disconnected from human government. Those days are gone. We have billions of people. Not thousands or millions. You cannot live apart from an organized society, and regardless of the structure of that organization there will be a "government".

Unbeknownst to most people they leave over 200 digital footprints each day. There is no anonymity, no independence.

Government is essential, yet look how disappointing most leaders are. Dictators manufacture a story, so they may seem like a "great leader" at the time, only for historians to later reveal the little man behind the curtain.

The real problem we have is not designing the constitution, but finding the leaders. We assume that if we have a good enough constitution then the people don't matter, yet the last 200 years has proved this is false.

This of course is the point of the NT. In the gospels we learn who the Lord is, and in the epistles we learn who the servants are.

Seems the worse people in politics always succeed.