Whistleblower

[Drake]

Originally Posted by JLBW

Sorry Drake I had to work all day and don't have much time for this forum. Your inquisition is odd and disappointing. But I'll entertain you for the purpose of stopping this madness. I was an adult and my parents are not in the LC. They have nothing to do with this sexual misconduct.
The "brother" was an elder and I was told to keep quiet by the other elders who happen to be involved with DCP and also happened to fellowship about this with the blended brothers all the way at the top in Anaheim. No one encouraged me to do anything about this to obtain retribution from my attacker. I've spent thousands on mental health counseling. They only cared that I not damage the family of the attacker by making his sin and crime known.
Happy now? So how do you propose to go around the BBs? Are you willing to pay for my legal fees to bring a coal law suit? Do you know that this man still meets and is inappropriate with other sisters? He's only one of many that I know of. States that I have information about include Washington, Idaho, Texas, California,and Florida.....but that's only what I know about. How do we stop this damage? I'm all ears.....

JLBW,

Thanks for your clarification.

I believe that you should do what you need to do before the Lord to bring closure and sometimes that is justice. God is just and righteous and He doesn't act apart from that. A man, or a brother in the Lord, does not have a free pass to impose his flesh and fleshly desires on another no matter what may be his visible service to the Lord.... and it is not always best to protect the unsuspecting spouse even for her sake. So I disagree, as far as I can know, to keep it quiet. Furthermore, moving the problem often means that someone else has to deal with it.

What to do? Well, first everything must be done before the Lord, you and Him primarily, and others as He leads you. If an offending brother won't hear you, never repented, and you already escalated in the church then you always have a final recourse in the courts. If it has been awhile then you must consult the statute of limitations state by state. This is a good place to start:

https://www.rainn.org/state-state-gu...es-limitations

Just to be clear, I am not a pot stirrer... and always look for the way to settle to everyone's satisfaction before the Lord, but I also believe God established the human government with its courts to execute His judgement on wrong-doers. So, I have no qualms about advising that IF THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED as the victim to gain closure.

Drake

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Drake

Just to be clear, I am not a pot stirrer... and always look for the way to settle to everyone's satisfaction before the Lord, but I also believe God established the human government with its courts to execute His judgement on wrong-doers. So, I have no qualms about advising that IF THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED as the victim to gain closure.

God also established the Church government. And as I said before, the only reference the Lord Jesus made to the practical church was in establishing it as a place where little people can go to get JUSTICE for being wronged (Matt 18:15-17).

But do you think any of these abused sisters will get any satisfaction from the LR on that? You might as well think you'll see Drake dancing and quacking in a duck suit on America's Got Talent.

[JLBW]

Originally Posted by Igzy

God also established the Church government. And as I said before, the only reference the Lord Jesus made to the practical church was in establishing it as a place where little people can go to get JUSTICE for being wronged (Matt 18:15-17).

But do you think any of these abused sisters will get any satisfaction from the LR on that? You might as well think you'll see Drake dancing and quacking in a duck suit on America's Got Talent.

There will be no resolution in a LC overseen by the BBs. I have chosen to move on and find a place to meet with other believers that do not cover up sin.
If Drake would like to fund a civil law suit I'd be happy to let him fund it. Or I'd be happy if he facilitated a payment to reimburse my therapy, but my guess is his offer to help is limited to the useless post he made in reply to his ??s
My healing is between me and the Lord and my spouse. I posted on here only to refute the idea that sexual sin is a thing of the past. Many sisters don't want to be involved in stupid dialogues online. I've only recently gotten the strength to speak about my trauma.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by JLBW

There will be no resolution in a LC overseen by the BBs. I have chosen to move on and find a place to meet with other believers that do not cover up sin.

JLBW, what you have concluded here about the BB's is altogether correct, and I rejoice that you have decided to follow our Lord and Savior rather than to give up your faith. Your decisions bring shame to our enemy, and great glory to God. May the Lord bless you and keep you in His loving embrace.

I say this because LSM and the LC movement have left a long trail of victims in their wake. Rotten leaders have always been enabled by ones like Drake, who look the other way, bury their heads in the sand, and attack the whistle blower, all behind the guise of "righteousness." This is exactly what the Blendeds did for the Lee family, thus guaranteeing their own rise to power, and there's no reason to believe they will ever change.

What other ministry on earth maintains its own seasoned legal staff like DCP to protect itself from criminal and civil liability?

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I say this because LSM and the LC movement have left a long trail of victims in their wake. Rotten leaders have always been enabled by ones like Drake, who look the other way, bury their heads in the sand, and attack the whistle blower, all behind the guise of "righteousness." This is exactly what the Blendeds did for the Lee family, thus guaranteeing their own rise to power, and there's no reason to believe they will ever change.

We have see the trail of victims come through this website.

Observers should know that we have nothing against the brothers and sisters in the LR nor the churches themselves. What we have a problem with is the systemic error of a movement with an ingrained mindset and trained conscience to defend the decisions and actions of LR leadership to practically the death. Certainly that mindset has resulted in the spiritual death of many of their victims, who are all treated like cannon fodder for the juggernaut of their "great and glorious" movement--the premise of which, as I shown many times, is a HOAX.

This is what Paul called a "stronghold"* of the devil in the mind's of people. And this is why when confronted with genuine reason, facts and the light of the word, supporters like Drake end up looking ridiculous. Yet they plod on, as if somehow God will reward them for their irrationality. Forever in denial, forever going in circles. In their minds they simply cannot be wrong, reason be damned.

Why? For no other reason than Brother Lee said so. They need nothing more than that. If their view conflicts with his, they always adjust their view to match, they never decide Lee was wrong. This is the bottom line implicit rule of membership in the movement. EVERYTHING is subordinate to the principle. That's the deal, and it is obviously a seriously unhealthy attitude. But there you have it.

They are not the first in history to hold such attitudes, nor are they the only on earth today. Their error has been seen and recorded in many spiritually abusive groups. A cursory examination of the information on the Internet will reveal that the attitudes and tactics used by the LR are common to such groups. They just happen to be the one that affected us, and which we feel obligated to resist and expose.

* For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. 2 Cor 10:3-5

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Igzy

God also established the Church government. And as I said before, the only reference the Lord Jesus made to the practical church was in establishing it as a place where little people can go to get JUSTICE for being wronged (Matt 18:15-17).

But do you think any of these abused sisters will get any satisfaction from the LR on that? You might as well think you'll see Drake dancing and quacking in a duck suit on America's Got Talent.

Yes on Matthew 18.

But no on your concept about what constitutes church government. The “LR” is not church government. In this case the church government included the offending elder and the other local elders that advised the sister to remain quiet. At least, that is what I heard. Apparently she complied with the advice for the interest of the unknowing spouse. Yet, it is understandable in retrospect that would not bring closure. So the last step of v17 applies here and becomes relevant.... that is, no resolution in the church therefore the offending brother should be treated like a Gentile. It’s not only a civil matter, it’s a criminal matter too.

Like I said before, this sister has every right to exercise her rights as a citizen, seek justice, and obtain proper closure. Any action must be in the Holy Spirit of course... and with those whom she trusts.

Drake

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Drake

Yes on Matthew 18.

But no on your concept about what constitutes church government. The “LR” is not church government. In this case the church government included the offending elder and the other local elders that advised the sister to remain quiet. At least, that is what I heard. Apparently she complied with the advice for the interest of the unknowing spouse. Yet, it is understandable in retrospect that would not bring closure. So the last step of v17 applies here and becomes relevant.... that is, no resolution in the church therefore the offending brother should be treated like a Gentile. It’s not only a civil matter, it’s a criminal matter too.

Like I said before, this sister has every right to exercise her rights as a citizen, seek justice, and obtain proper closure. Any action must be in the Holy Spirit of course... and with those whom she trusts.

Drake

You are quibbling about unimportant details, as usual.

And if you are such a big shot in the LR, why don't you get your conscience in gear on this obvious trail of evidence and CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD? If you love the LR so much you ought to be outraged and angry. Yet, as usual, nothing seems to ruffle your feathers, except when your pride gets hurt.

"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea." Mark 9:42

[Cal]

Do Not Oppress the Weak

You shall not mistreat any widow or fatherless child. Exodus 22:22

Woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees, and the writers who keep writing oppression, to turn aside the needy from justice and to rob the poor of my people of their right, that widows may be their spoil, and that they may make the fatherless their prey! What will you do on the day of punishment, in the ruin that will come from afar? To whom will you flee for help, and where will you leave your wealth? Nothing remains but to crouch among the prisoners or fall among the slain. For all this his anger has not turned away, and his hand is stretched out still. Isaiah 10:1-4

They have grown fat and sleek. They know no bounds in deeds of evil; they judge not with justice the cause of the fatherless, to make it prosper, and they do not defend the rights of the needy. Jeremiah 5:28

Your princes are rebels and companions of thieves. Everyone loves a bribe and runs after gifts. They do not bring justice to the fatherless, and the widow's cause does not come to them. Isaiah 1:23

Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow. Deuteronomy 27:19

Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause. Isaiah 1:17

Thus says the Lord of hosts, Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart. Zechariah 7:9-10

Vindicate the weak and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked. Psalm 82:3-4

May he vindicate the afflicted of the people, Save the children of the needy, And crush the oppressor. Psalm 72:4

The LORD also will be a stronghold for the oppressed, A stronghold in times of trouble; Psalm 9:9

O LORD, God of vengeance, God of vengeance, shine forth! Rise up, O Judge of the earth, Render recompense to the proud. How long shall the wicked, O LORD, How long shall the wicked exult? Psalm 94:1-7

[Cal]

Do Justice

It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the righteous of justice. Proverbs 18:5

You shall not pervert the justice due to your poor in his lawsuit. Exodus 23:6

To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. Proverbs 21:3

Justice, and only justice, you shall follow, that you may live and inherit the land that the Lord your God is giving you. Deuteronomy 16:20

Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy. Proverbs 31:8-9

For I the Lord love justice; I hate robbery and wrong. Isaiah 61:8

A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge. Proverbs 29:7

Does God pervert justice? Or does the Almighty pervert the right? Job 8:3

I know that the Lord will maintain the cause of the afflicted, and will execute justice for the needy. Psalm 140:12

Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness, for soon my salvation will come, and my deliverance be revealed." Isaiah 56:1

“But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others." Luke 11:42

For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. Malachi 4:1

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Yes on Matthew 18.

But no on your concept about what constitutes church government. The “LR” is not church government. In this case the church government included the offending elder and the other local elders that advised the sister to remain quiet. At least, that is what I heard. Apparently she complied with the advice for the interest of the unknowing spouse. Yet, it is understandable in retrospect that would not bring closure. So the last step of v17 applies here and becomes relevant.... that is, no resolution in the church therefore the offending brother should be treated like a Gentile. It’s not only a civil matter, it’s a criminal matter too.

Like I said before, this sister has every right to exercise her rights as a citizen, seek justice, and obtain proper closure. Any action must be in the Holy Spirit of course... and with those whom she trusts.

Drake

Isn't it interesting that LC action (really inaction, or wrongful action) was self-servingly designed to "protect" the interest of the unknowing spouse. How deceitful! If every case was handled in this way, no criminal would ever be held accountable. There is always someone who needs "protecting." The Apostle Paul, however, demanded that "those who sin should be rebuked before all, that all be in fear." (I Tim. 5.20) Obviously this would include the family of the abusing, molesting elder. I am also a firm believer that those who sin in this way may be restored after repentance to communion as a brother, (e.g. II Cor. 2.6-7) but never be restored to church or ministry office.

For decades Witness Lee protected his boys from culpability. WL was merely protecting himself and his ministry while the list of victims grew. WL would relocate some of these victims to other churches, claiming that he would "handle his sons" personally. Yet matters only grew worse.

The so-called and much-discussed "storms" or quarantines of the late 80's and the late 90's in Anaheim were simply WL coverups for his boys. The facts of history have proven this conclusively. Instead of WL rebuking his sons before all, he attacked the accusers, the whistle blowers, by accusing them of a vast global conspiracy, branding them as rebellious lepers, worthy of expulsion, and smearing their reputations before all.

WL and the Blendeds should have been imprisoned for libel and slander based on what they did to other men of God for speaking their conscience to protect God's children. What they did was despicable. It was criminal. All to protect known degenerates like Lee's own sons. (Read what happened to Eli, whose sons were similar. I Samuel 2.12-17, 22-25, 27-34, 4.12-18)

Yet ones like Drake, who claims to stand up in defense of these victims, remains absolutely silent as to the actions of both Witness Lee and the Blendeds during those pathetic times. The level of dishonesty he displays is appalling. Today's Blendeds (BP, MC, RG, MC, etc.) scammed a hoax on the LC's, which was perpetuated for decades.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Yet ones like Drake, who claims to stand up in defense of these victims, remains absolutely silent as to the actions of both Witness Lee and the Blendeds during those pathetic times. The level of dishonesty he displays is appalling. Today's Blendeds (BP, MC, RG, MC, etc.) scammed a hoax on the LC's, which was perpetuated for decades.

Drake is a master at focusing on a detail while missing the larger picture (gnats and camels?). He seems to acknowledge that an offense occurred, yet fails to put two and two together and realize that the leadership he so vigorously defends engineered the cover-up for this offense and others! All while they claimed to be the designated caretakers of "the Lord's Recovery."

What is the Lord recovering here? Treachery? Subterfuge? Injustice? Lying? Cover-up? Victimizing? Oppression? Damage?

Is there a new LSM book coming out, with a typically turgid LR title like, "The Treacherous, Unjust, Lying Cover-up Consummating in the Oppressed, Victimized and Damaged Sisters"?

That one I would buy! Much better than "The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion!"

[JLBW]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Is there a new LSM book coming out, with a typically turgid LR title like, "The Treacherous, Unjust, Lying Cover-up Consummating in the Oppressed, Victimized and Damaged Sisters"?
That one I would buy! Much better than "The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion!"

I would buy that book!

Thank all of you dear ones for the verses and sharing. You all have said what I've been saying since I was targeted, groomed, and assaulted.
May the Lord continue to heal and cover all the wronged.

Oh....anyone know what happened to Drake? I was waiting for that help he offered.....you know, for healing and recompense?? Maybe he's too busy now?��

[Nell]

I think Drake is too busy now...writing a new book...I heard there's one on its way out. I can only imagine the title. I can't wait.

Nell

[Drake]

Originally Posted by JLBW

Oh....anyone know what happened to Drake? I was waiting for that help he offered.....you know, for healing and recompense?? Maybe he's too busy now?��

JLBW,

I'm here.

The help you seek will not be found by surrounding yourself with enablers who cheer you on to relive your traumatic experience. Neither is there healing in accusing others who would be just as appalled as I am at what happened to you based on your testimony here. Rather, you should trust in the Lord to guide you in the practical steps to heal, and that might include a confrontation.... and sometimes closure can only be had by justice meted out by the authorities that He has set up for that purpose. Sorry, I have no money for you. It is in the courts where personal damage is assessed in monetary terms. If you have the peace before the Lord then pursue that and find a lawyer who operates on a contingency fee if cash flow is an issue.

Do what He tells you. He is the Healer.

Drake