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[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

So .... chant it out loud bro ZNP. Let's hear it :

Build that wall! Build that wall! Build that wall!

And:

Make Mexico pay for it! Make Mexico pay for it! Make Mexico pay for it!

Trump's wall is a metaphor. It was his most popular campaign promise. He didn't deliver on it for 2 years when the Republicans dominated Congress. If he doesn't deliver something that he can call his wall in the next two years the Democrats can use it against him in the 2020 campaign. If he can claim that he build the wall like he promised he'll base his campaign for reelection on it. That's primarily what this impasse is about. If the argument were just about border security Republicans and Democrats agree on a lot of things. This is about holding Trump to one term in the White House. You know like Mitch McConnell tried to do to Barack Obama by blocking his legislative agenda.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Trump's wall is a metaphor. It was his most popular campaign promise. He didn't deliver on it for 2 years when the Republicans dominated Congress. If he doesn't deliver something that he can call his wall in the next two years the Democrats can use it against him in the 2020 campaign. If he can claim that he build the wall like he promised he'll base his campaign for reelection on it. That's primarily what this impasse is about. If the argument were just about border security Republicans and Democrats agree on a lot of things. This is about holding Trump to one term in the White House. You know like Mitch McConnell tried to do to Barack Obama by blocking his legislative agenda.

I agree this shutdown is simply a political game using people's lives as pawns. It is outrageous.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I agree this shutdown is simply a political game using people's lives as pawns. It is outrageous.

Politics rules in Washington DC!? I'm shocked. It's a game both sides are playing. Real people are getting hurt? What else is new? You weren't born yesterday, were you? It's a good thing the US Constitution prevents this sort of thing. The USA needs more "thoughts and prayers."

[Ohio]

Trump is the first President to take this drug scourge at the border seriously. Neither Clinton, "W", nor Obama did, each of them having their own issues with addictions. Trump, on the other hand, never gets credit for his disciplined rejection of all alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.

Also, the difference between a President who speaks from the heart versus those who merely read from teleprompters could not be more apparent. Trump takes campaign promises seriously, in contrast with the others.

Trump is serious about protecting the American people, while others merely gave us lip-service, so its no wonder that so many folks on the left got itchy ears from teleprompterisis.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

The USA needs more "thoughts and prayers."

From what I've seen so far, thoughts and prayers is what's used to avoid fixing obvious serious problems, that need action. They are a non-fix, and useless, except for doing nothing, and taking the known obviously needed action.

Thoughts and prayers? Bahahahahahahs !!!

Thoughts and prayers to avoid taking action are actually complicit in harms and deaths ... and those that use them in that way should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

From what I've seen so far, thoughts and prayers is what's used to avoid fixing obvious serious problems, that need action. They are a non-fix, and useless, except for doing nothing, and taking the known obviously needed action.

Thoughts and prayers? Bahahahahahahs !!!

Thoughts and prayers to avoid taking action are actually complicit in harms and deaths ... and those that use them in that way should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Well duh. I thought that was obvious. You seem to have no ear for ironies other than your own. Bahaha your own self.

[ZNPaaneah]

So then for once we all (4) agree that this is simply a political game in which the common man suffers as usual. Democrats don't want Trump to get a "victory" which in my opinion is cowardice. If they actually believe it won't have any impact let him get his wall. It will take months, maybe even more than a year to build. But so what, you can point to the fact that there has been no improvement, the whole thing was empty promises and campaign on the fact that you were right and "I told you so". What are the democrats afraid of?

Sounds like hypocrisy, they are afraid it will work and the Republicans will get credit for actually doing something about violent crime.

I understand why Trump has to stay the course, I also understand why the other Republicans (in the Senate) need to line up with him, but what I don't understand is why the Democrats think this is worth shutting the govt down and messing with millions of American families.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I understand why Trump has to stay the course, I also understand why the other Republicans (in the Senate) need to line up with him, but what I don't understand is why the Democrats think this is worth shutting the govt down and messing with millions of American families.

How could the Democrats and their media ever agree with Trump since they spend all their time convincing their base that Trump is Hitler and Satan. Talk about cognitive dissonance! They agreed with the wall when Obama was president, but now is "different." They have all learned the art of "flip-flops" from the masters -- John Kerry and Hillary.

Anybody watch CNN's Jim Acosta clip standing next to a border wall in Texas and telling Americans that the border crisis is manufactured? Duhhhh?

Dumb as a rock Acosta unwittingly proved Trump's entire argument -- walls bring security, peace, and safety!

It is perhaps the greatest myth of the 21st century that Democratic leaders actually care for people. They use women, they use african Americans, they use the illegals, they use LGBTQ, they use the climate and the environment, etc. but all they really care for is power.

Just like Carl Sagan said, "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous.”

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

...what I don't understand is why the Democrats think this is worth shutting the govt down and messing with millions of American families.

I already explained it to you. You apparently don't get it because of your partisan bias which you seem to be unaware of.

As Roger Cohen observed:

When Trump was in business, his shtick was stiffing contractors. If confronted, he would try some bombast and storm out of meetings, as he did the other day with congressional leaders, ending talks on the partial government shutdown caused by a crisis he has manufactured. His shtick now is stiffing all Americans. The technique is the same: Keep reality at a distance through hyperactive fakery.

Trump has offered the Dems nothing worth making a deal. Where's the "art" in that?