Charismania, truncation, and understanding

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Originally Posted by aron

More on "there's neither Jew nor Greek": If there is no Jew or Greek, then how is Jesus the King of the Jews?

"Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we have seen his star at its rising, and have come to worship him". Such statements make no sense if Jews are to be effaced in the one new man.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or asking the question as 'food for thought'... One thing I do know is a lot of people do not have the answer and I am fairly, fairly certain the LSMrs surely do not have the answer.


Sooo.. I will do my best to explain..hoping it makes sense.

Jesus came for the Jews first as we know. The OT is written to the Jews. There is no Christian church. And the Jews in the OT and still today are waiting for their KING. Part of the reason the Jews rejected Jesus as their King is because Jesus was born in a manger not in a kingly mansion.

That's not what they were expecting in their KING. Even in the 4 gospels, Jesus is addressing the Jews not the gentiles, not the church. During the Tribulation, Jesus will reveal Himself as KING OF THE JEWS to the Jews who rejected Jesus.

But as KING of kings and LORD of lords, Jesus is KING to both Jew and Greek (gentile) In Christ, we are His body, whether we are Caucasian, Asian, Latino, African, Middle Eastern, Israeli, Jewish. In Christ, we are neither Jew or Greek (gentile).

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At the risk of creating my own reflexive mantra, I say again: Bad theology, loudly shouted, doesn't become good theology. Bad ideas, which diminish the inherent meaning of the text, are not magically rescued by enthusiasm and intensity of reception. If volume and repetition could transfer divinity, then the so-called Screamers (or Shouters) would have done so.

So very, very true!! Well explained too.

I saw video smuggled out, which showed Lee's theology via his hymns being shouted over and over. But at the end of the day, it was just Lee's theology, uncritically received via repetitive shouting. They called it "eating God" and claimed it would make them God, but look what happened: after Lee was gone, things deteriorated such that Lee's publication organ LSM had to disavow them.

Christ Jesus alone is our SOLID ROCK. ALL OTHER GROUND is sinking sand. All other ground is sinking sand and that includes the 'ground of the Lee/LSM church'.

I've had people come to me over the years and try to make me come under the law. I tell them, "Read Acts 15". It's clear that we can't compel gentiles to keep the law.

Me too Aron!! ME TOO!! It has been a frustruating journey on this matter until the last 6 months or so when I started to understand that the bible is written for all to read but it is not written TO everyone. Some of it is written to the Jews, some of it to the gentiles and the church which is a great mystery (Ephesians 3:8-10)

Even JAMES, the book Lee disliked if I'm not mistaken is not written to THE CHURCH! (though we benefit from it). Check out how it begins:
James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings.

It is not written to the converted gentiles. It says so right there. And there is a reason the book of James and the book of Hebrews are written to the converted Jews. But I will not go into my findings here.

Something else I learned this past year and that is that the book of Acts is a transitional book. In other words, it begins with the Jews being converted to Christ and being filled with the Holy Spirit. Acts 2 begins with:
And how is it that we each hear them in our own [i]language [j]to which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea etc....visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, (Proselytes are converted Jews btw for those who did not know)

But when Paul came into the scene, the gospel went out to the gentiles. The gentiles never read the OT as the Jews did. They had no clue what the Mosaic LAW was.

Here's another thought. If a person insists we must come 'under the law' then they have to come under the entire law, not just part of it! That means they have to offer grain sacrifices, animal sacrifices, go to an earthly priess/high priest etc.

In truth, they are making a mockery of the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF JESUS who did away with all the grain sacrifices, animal sacrifices, earthly priests and earthly high priests and wiped away all our sins, past, present and future. Plus He remembers our sins NO MORE.

He is the LAW in us through His Holy Spirit working in us. Circumcision is no longer an outward sign. In the OT Jewish men were circumcised to distinguish them from the pagan men.

it is believed by many (including myself) that Joseph, son of Jacob convinced his brothers he was their brother by revealing to them his circumcision as they did not recognize him looking like an Egyptian...maybe even "walking like an Egyptian".

Then Joseph could not control himself before all those who stood by him, and he cried, “Have everyone go out from me.” So there was no man with him when Joseph made himself known to his brothers. 2 He wept so loudly that the Egyptians heard it, and the household of Pharaoh heard of it. 3 Then Joseph said to his brothers, “I am Joseph! Genesis 45:1-2

,,,no matter how many times you shout that the moon is made of green cheese, and how loudly, it doesn't make it so. You may "enjoy" the warm glow for a while, but the "metabolic transformation" that you were promised doesn't automatically follow. The moon remains what it already was.

It is only the Blood of Jesus by the Power of the Holy Spirit and God's Living Word, Jesus that we are transformed. No amount of shouting, of 'pray reading' or reading the foot notes, or reading the revivals, parroting what Lee said, even reading the scriptures without the Spirit revealing Jesus to us transforms us. for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 2 Corinthians 3:6

Thanks for reading and I hope what I wrote made some sense. Blessings to all.