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Old 07-20-2008, 11:19 PM   #19
Peter Debelak
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My biggest point in this whole argument isn't whether or not Adam's sin was terrible. It's that his joining Eve in her fallen state is a picture of what God did in putting on the flesh.


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I haven't jumped into this discussion, mostly because its just been so fascinating to "listen to." I just don't know about this proposition you are proposing, SC. The analogy to Christ's incarnation just doesn't hold up.

If your analogy works, its only because its quaint, not because it speaks something about our eternal state. The analogy is one of sentiment. Adam, knowing his wife screwed up, came down to her level and joined her. Its a quaint sentiment. But a stupid action. It bore nothing. He made a decision to join her in a corrupted state with no hope of emerging from that. Its a bald sentimental move in that version with no benefitial long-term effect of the decision (which is the usual reason folks make decisions to bear with another in their screw-ups).

To say that is, in any way (beyond the sentimental) similar or analogous to what Christ did, is to nullify the meaning of what Christ did, beyond just a quant sentiment.

Yes, I appreciate that Christ was emptied and was fashioned as a man with all those temptations I struggle with. I appreciate that in a sentimental way. But that act does nothing for me, aside from knowing that I've got a partner in misery. His incarnation was significant - in a lasting way - only because of His death and resurrection. He wasn't just trying to say "Hey, I'm one of you guys. You're my folks, so I'll stick with you in your miserable state." At best, that's all Adam did. There is no comparision, except a trite one, between what Christ did and what Adam did. Really, I just don't see it.

Just because we can craft an analogy between surface acts does not mean there's any meaning in that analogy.

Of course, despite my bolder statements here, I'm ever-ready to be shot down in my thoughts. But I can't see it another way from where I'm at here...

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