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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

They are still chanting Lock Her Up at Trump rally's. The problem is that they found nothing she could arrested for.

Lock her up was just one of Trump's catchy slogans, like drain the swamp, which he even admitted was ridiculous. All his slogans are ridiculous.

But he made Hillary's emails a big deal. Even asking Putin to hack into them ; while it was common a common practice, as Colin Powell and Condi Rice used the private email servers.

So if Hillary was a big deal to Trump, so should the emails be for Trump's daughter wife.

Lock 'em both up.
.

That is faulty logic. If you claim that Trump was ridiculous for his "lock her up" chant then you condemn yourself. Instead you should ask "Will Trump call for Ivanka to be locked up?"

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

That is faulty logic. If you claim that Trump was ridiculous for his "lock her up" chant then you condemn yourself. Instead you should ask "Will Trump call for Ivanka to be locked up?"

Lock 'em all up. They're all criminals up there. Lock the whole Trump family up.

[zeek]

WASHINGTON — President Trump defied the nation’s intelligence agencies and a growing body of evidence on Tuesday to declare his unswerving loyalty to Saudi Arabia, asserting that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s culpability for the killing of Jamal Khashoggi might never be known.

In a remarkable statement that appeared calculated to end the debate over the American response to the killing of Mr. Khashoggi, the president said, “It could very well be that the crown prince had knowledge of this tragic event — maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/w...d=165251391121

I condemn Trump's amoral statement, his values, his judgment and his conclusion, his contempt for the US intelligence and his love of murdering tyrants. I spit on his so-called "America First" policy which values money over human life.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

WASHINGTON — President Trump defied the nation’s intelligence agencies and a growing body of evidence on Tuesday to declare his unswerving loyalty to Saudi Arabia, asserting that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s culpability for the killing of Jamal Khashoggi might never be known.

In a remarkable statement that appeared calculated to end the debate over the American response to the killing of Mr. Khashoggi, the president said, “It could very well be that the crown prince had knowledge of this tragic event — maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/w...d=165251391121

I condemn Trump's amoral statement, his values, his judgment and his conclusion, his contempt for the US intelligence and his love of murdering tyrants. I spit on his so-called "America First" policy which values money over human life.

I think it would be wonderful if this causes and equal and opposite reaction within our political theater.

I don't buy the idea that we need to fear the Saudis will stop buying our guns. Instead, I do buy the idea that kowtowing to dictators, like the appeasement of Neville Chamberlain is cowardly.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think it would be wonderful if this causes and equal and opposite reaction within our political theater.

I don't buy the idea that we need to fear the Saudis will stop buying our guns. Instead, I do buy the idea that kowtowing to dictators, like the appeasement of Neville Chamberlain is cowardly.

If you want the Apathetic-in-Chief to be on your side, kill a Washington Post journalist. Don't worry, he'll pardon you. You'll be a star at his rally's.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

If you want the Apathetic-in-Chief to be on your side, kill a Washington Post journalist. Don't worry, he'll pardon you. You'll be a star at his rally's.

Sounds like you want to do standup by taking others material.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

WASHINGTON — President Trump defied the nation’s intelligence agencies and a growing body of evidence on Tuesday to declare his unswerving loyalty to Saudi Arabia, asserting that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s culpability for the killing of Jamal Khashoggi might never be known.

In a remarkable statement that appeared calculated to end the debate over the American response to the killing of Mr. Khashoggi, the president said, “It could very well be that the crown prince had knowledge of this tragic event — maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!”

I condemn Trump's amoral statement, his values, his judgment and his conclusion, his contempt for the US intelligence and his love of murdering tyrants. I spit on his so-called "America First" policy which values money over human life.

It's sickening to watch others hopelessly blinded by the Left's anti-Trump rhetoric concerning Khashoggi. But where was zeek's outrage when James Foley had his head sawed off? Silence. Crickets.

Whereas James Foley was a true journalist documenting the horrible plight of Syrian victims, Khashoggi was a political activist, not an American citizen, and well-connected with the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama's favorite organization, and who happened to write stories for WaPo.

LETTER: Obama did nothing to help save Foley

Regarding the Aug. 20 article, James Foley’s death will haunt me always,” as CEO of Global-Post Philip Balboni tried to do everything in his power to help the Foley family find and free James Foley and also help the families of the other American hostages. I was touched, yet angered, by the article — touched because there are many out there willing to help find and free these hostages and angered because our own government did nothing to free Foley, and did less for the families.

According to the article, “even though the Global-Post and the Foley family had extensive contact with the U.S. government, almost from the beginning of our search, we were left on our own, forced to carry the full weight of the investigation.” [The Obama] government did nothing to assist them in the first-year search for Foley.

Yet President Barack Obama could trade five vicious terrorists for a soldier who knowingly left his base and put all other soldiers in danger, had the brass to bring this cowardly soldier’s family to the White House, flaunt them in front of national TV and the public, and praise the soldier and his family.

Thank you for this article and the truth behind Foley’s unfortunate, untimely horrific death. I am so sick of all the lies and the deceit from this dysfunctional administration.

Foley was murdered because Obama promised action, but never delivered. Remember his infamous "line in the sand" concerning Syria?

President Trump, however, has continually used the full weight of American leverage to free hostages. Getting past the daily lies of the Media Smear Machine, which zeek embraces so dearly, Praise God for the work which Trump did to free Pastor Andrew Brunson from false charges while locked up in some Turkish prison.

Once again zeek gets fooled by the Left's trap. Had Trump done anything regarding Khashoggi, the media would have smeared him for meddling in the Turkish Judicial System.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's sickening to watch others hopelessly blinded by the Left's anti-Trump rhetoric concerning Khashoggi. But where was zeek's outrage when James Foley had his head sawed off? Silence. Crickets.

Whereas James Foley was a true journalist documenting the horrible plight of Syrian victims, Khashoggi was a political activist, not an American citizen, and well-connected with the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama's favorite organization, and who happened to write stories for WaPo.

LETTER: Obama did nothing to help save Foley

Foley was murdered because Obama promised action, but never delivered. Remember his infamous "line in the sand" concerning Syria?

President Trump, however, has continually used the full weight of American leverage to free hostages. Getting past the daily lies of the Media Smear Machine, which zeek embraces so dearly, Praise God for the work which Trump did to free Pastor Andrew Brunson from false charges while locked up in some Turkish prison.

Once again zeek gets fooled by the Left's trap. Had Trump done anything regarding Khashoggi, the media would have smeared him for meddling in the Turkish Judicial System.

We see what you did there Mr. Ohio. You changed the subject from the rightness or wrongness of Trump letting the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia get away with murder to the kind of personal attack on me that Untohim called "too personal and too mean-spirited." See how many times zeek is emboldened in your post? You made it all about me. I'm so flattered.

But I follow your logic. In your mind it's all right to murder people if they're not Christians. After all they're already condemned by God anyway by your reasoning.

And it was fine for the president to approve of the murder and broadcast the propaganda of the murderous regime in his statement yesterday. Like Trump, you side with the murderous Middle Eastern monarchy over the American intelligence community. You're spreading their propaganda against Khashoggi too. Surprise surprise! You're a true Trumper you are.

Tell me how if Obama was wrong does that make Trump right? The subject is whether Trump is right to give the Crown Prince a pass on murder to Make Oil Prices Great Again. That's not to mention Trump's businesses have made millions from the Saudi government, and the crown prince gave his New York City hotel a huge boost n violation of the emoluments clause of the US Constitution which you claim to love when it suits you. What does your Bible say about serving God and mammon?

And of course Khashoggi was the evil enemy. After all he worked for the liberal Washington Post. Liberals are fair game in your book. You hate the Mainstream Media because you hate the Mainstream. They aren't
your people --the born againers are your team. You go for the extreme media because, guess what, you're an extremist!

The only time you're for freedom of speech is when you're slamming the liberal snowflakes as if you're not a snowflake yourself. That's all consistent with your repressive sectarian worldview. Got it.

[zeek]

"Trump would be wise to learn from John Roberts' rebuke"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...roberts-rebuke

Opinion in the conservative Washington Examiner no less. But, Trump is not wise. He's already shot back at the Chief Justice in another poison tweet. He's out to destroy the constitutional separation of powers for his own gain. Trump won't stop. He must be stopped.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

"Trump would be wise to learn from John Roberts' rebuke"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...roberts-rebuke

Opinion in the conservative Washington Examiner no less. But, Trump is not wise. He's already shot back at the Chief Justice in another poison tweet. He's out to destroy the constitutional separation of powers for his own gain. Trump won't stop. He must be stopped.

Making enemies of the judges is not wise. Now he's threatening to break up the 9th. All 29 judges, he falsely claims, are liberal Obama judges.

Meanwhile a Trump judge ruled for CNN and Acosta press credentials. Haha! Obama, Hillary, and Soros, must be getting to even Trump appointed judges. The media must be part of it too. They're all conspiring against Trump.

That's what happens when you make enemies of everyone.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

We see what you did there Mr. Ohio. You changed the subject from the rightness or wrongness of Trump letting the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia get away with murder to the kind of personal attack on me that Untohim called "too personal and too mean-spirited." See how many times zeek is emboldened in your post? You made it all about me. I'm so flattered.

Wow, I completely missed that. I thought it was all about Foley and Obama

Originally Posted by zeek

But I follow your logic. In your mind it's all right to murder people if they're not Christians. After all they're already condemned by God anyway by your reasoning.

Wow, I missed that as well! I thought his point was the hypocrisy in those who were silent when Obama did nothing but now are outraged when Trump does nothing.

Originally Posted by zeek

And it was fine for the president to approve of the murder and broadcast the propaganda of the murderous regime in his statement yesterday. Like Trump, you side with the murderous Middle Eastern monarchy over the American intelligence community. You're spreading their propaganda against Khashoggi too. Surprise surprise! You're a true Trumper you are.

Wow! I missed that too! Trump approved of the murder of Khashogi?

Originally Posted by zeek

Tell me how if Obama was wrong does that make Trump right? The subject is whether Trump is right to give the Crown Prince a pass on murder to Make Oil Prices Great Again. That's not to mention Trump's businesses have made millions from the Saudi government, and the crown prince gave his New York City hotel a huge boost n violation of the emoluments clause of the US Constitution which you claim to love when it suits you. What does your Bible say about serving God and mammon?

Those are your questions. But you seem to have ignored his question -- if you are so outraged now, why were you so silent before?

Originally Posted by zeek

And of course Khashoggi was the evil enemy. After all he worked for the liberal Washington Post. Liberals are fair game in your book. You hate the Mainstream Media because you hate the Mainstream. They aren't
your people --the born againers are your team. You go for the extreme media because, guess what, you're an extremist!

Wow, how could I miss so much! It is amazing what Zeek is able to infer with his tea leaves. I didn't know Ohio thought Khashoggi was the "evil enemy" or that he thought it was OK to kill journalists that worked for the Washington Post.

Originally Posted by zeek

The only time you're for freedom of speech is when you're slamming the liberal snowflakes as if you're not a snowflake yourself. That's all consistent with your repressive sectarian worldview. Got it.

I don't think you did get it. I think you simply heard the demons speaking in your own mind.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Wow, I completely missed that. I thought it was all about Foley and Obama.Wow, I missed that as well! I thought his point was the hypocrisy in those who were silent when Obama did nothing but now are outraged when Trump does nothing.

That was simply false equivalence on Mr. Ohio's part. In July 2014, U.S. President Barack Obama authorized a "substantial and complex" rescue operation after the U.S. intelligence community said a "broad collection of intelligence" led to believe that the hostages were being held at a specific location in Syria. However, the mission failed because the hostages had been moved. The operation involved special operations forces from multiple branches of the US military, including the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, helicopters, fixed wing aircraft and drones.When Delta Force commandos landed in the eastern Syrian city of Raqqa, they were met with gunfire and it became apparent that the hostages had been moved. ISIL suffered numerous casualties while American forces suffered a single minor injury. The operation was only declassified after Foley's death. It represented the first confirmation of U.S. troops operating on the ground within Syria during the Syrian Civil War. [Wikipdia] To say that Obama did nothing to try to help Foley is a lie.

I was horrified by Foley's death as I am by Khashoggi's. To suggest otherwise is a lie.

Wow! I missed that too! Trump approved of the murder of Khashogi?

Repeating the Saudi rationale for killing him like Trump and Mr. Oho have done without a counter argument or condemnation is tantamount to approval.

Those are your questions. But you seem to have ignored his question -- if you are so outraged now, why were you so silent before?

Obama tried to save Foley and authorized attacks on his murderers after he was killed. Trump said he intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia and said he would take no action. Again you're making a false equivalence.

Wow, how could I miss so much! It is amazing what Zeek is able to infer with his tea leaves. I didn't know Ohio thought Khashoggi was the "evil enemy" or that he thought it was OK to kill journalists that worked for the Washington Post.

It's my inference based on his expressed hatred for liberals and the liberal media. Those are his enemies, not the murdering Saudi prince.

I don't think you did get it. I think you simply heard the demons speaking in your own mind.

You're entitled to your opinion even if it is based on an antiquated unscientific folk theory of human psychology.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's sickening to watch others hopelessly blinded by the Left's anti-Trump rhetoric concerning Khashoggi. But where was zeek's outrage when James Foley had his head sawed off? Silence. Crickets.

Whereas James Foley was a true journalist documenting the horrible plight of Syrian victims, Khashoggi was a political activist, not an American citizen, and well-connected with the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama's favorite organization, and who happened to write stories for WaPo.

LETTER: Obama did nothing to help save Foley

Foley was murdered because Obama promised action, but never delivered. Remember his infamous "line in the sand" concerning Syria?

President Trump, however, has continually used the full weight of American leverage to free hostages. Getting past the daily lies of the Media Smear Machine, which zeek embraces so dearly, Praise God for the work which Trump did to free Pastor Andrew Brunson from false charges while locked up in some Turkish prison.

Once again zeek gets fooled by the Left's trap. Had Trump done anything regarding Khashoggi, the media would have smeared him for meddling in the Turkish Judicial System.

Yes, there are things Obama did and didn't do that can be condemned. Likewise with Bush, Bush, Clinton, etc.

But I am not going to justify Trump's behavior because it is no worse than Obama's.