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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

The Bible never explicitly states that it is an historical record. That it is is a matter of Christian tradition.

Originally Posted by awareness

If the word of God doesn't say it means that it's not historical. So to say it's a historical record is extra-Biblical tradition.

That's *conveniently* an absurd standard to place on the Bible.

Genesis 2.4, for example, says, "These are the generations of the heaven and the earth when they were created."

Obviously an "historical" record, but you guys apparently read about this so-called "disclaimer" by some university moron ... err scholar like Ehrman ... and believed this nonsense.

Luke himself precedes two books with statements like, "draw up a narrative concerning these matters," but it's not "history" because he didn't use the right words. Seriously?

So when the Bible repeatedly instructs us that "these things were recorded," it is not actually an "historical record" because it did not use the words "historical record."

Are you guys really doubling down on dumb? You guys are better than this! Have you actually gone off the deep end with this PC talk? The LC was also this way -- i.e. you can't be a "real" church unless you call yourself "THE church IN anytown."

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That's *conveniently* an absurd standard to place on the Bible.

Is it the word of God or not? The word of God does not say the Bible is history. Sorry. Don't blame me. Blame the Bible for not saying it.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Genesis 2.4, for example, says, "These are the generations of the heaven and the earth when they were created."

Again, not speaking of the Bible. Look up the Hebrew word for heaven in that verse and you'll find it's speaking of the sky and celestial space, up there.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Obviously an "historical" record, but you guys apparently read about this so-called "disclaimer" by some university moron ... err scholar like Ehrman ... and believed this nonsense.

Not true at all.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Luke himself precedes two books with statements like, "draw up a narrative concerning these matters," but it's not "history" because he didn't use the right words. Seriously?

Where's the history of Jerusalem and the temple getting sacked by the Romans? Why not that history? Not much of a history book without that.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Is it the word of God or not? The word of God does not say the Bible is history. Sorry. Don't blame me. Blame the Bible for not saying it.

So the Chronicles of Israel's history and the book of Kings are not History books? The account in Genesis about the patriarchs that is not biographical? Judges doesn't tell us the history of the judges? Joshua doesn't tell us the history of Joshua? Esther, Nehemiah, Ezra, etc. These kinds of pronouncements from you always make me think and ask, why am I listening to this fool?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So the Chronicles of Israel's history and the book of Kings are not History books? The account in Genesis about the patriarchs that is not biographical? Judges doesn't tell us the history of the judges? Joshua doesn't tell us the history of Joshua? Esther, Nehemiah, Ezra, etc. These kinds of pronouncements from you always make me think and ask, why am I listening to this fool?

I'm not saying there's no history in the Bible. But it's no more a history book than it is a math or science book.

History in the Bible is a specific history. All the books of the Bible are written by Jews (with the possible exception being Mark. But even that is contested cuz we don't know who wrote it).

So if anything the Bible is a history of the Jews. And there is no history after the gentiles took over. So the Bible is a history of a time frame ; say from 1500BCE to 100CE.

And there's tons of history it never mentions. Where's the Greek history, or Roman? Oh,I forgot. It's a Jewish history.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

I'm not saying there's no history in the Bible. But it's no more a history book than it is a math or science book.

History in the Bible is a specific history. All the books of the Bible are written by Jews (with the possible exception being Mark. But even that is contested cuz we don't know who wrote it).

So if anything the Bible is a history of the Jews. And there is no history after the gentiles took over. So the Bible is a history of a time frame ; say from 1500BCE to 100CE.

And there's tons of history it never mentions. Where's the Greek history, or Roman? Oh,I forgot. It's a Jewish history.

I think the Bible makes it very clear that it is a history that begins specifically with Adam and takes us even to a view of the future in Revelation.

The gospels are clearly biographical. The book of Acts is very clearly informative about the beginning of the church.

The epistles are also very informative giving us the detailed account of what the apostles taught, primarily Paul, John, Peter and James.

As for the history of the creation it is certainly a very, very brief account. But that doesn't mean that what it does say is not accurate.

No one judges a book by what it doesn't include. The fact that you have questions about Roman history that are not answered in the Bible does not in any way support the claim that the Bible is not history.

History is a story told over time. It is a way of recreating the past so it can be studied in the present and re-interpreted for future generations. based on this definition the Bible is clearly history.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I'm not saying there's no history in the Bible. But it's no more a history book than it is a math or science book.

History in the Bible is a specific history. All the books of the Bible are written by Jews (with the possible exception being Mark. But even that is contested cuz we don't know who wrote it).

So if anything the Bible is a history of the Jews. And there is no history after the gentiles took over. So the Bible is a history of a time frame ; say from 1500BCE to 100CE.

And there's tons of history it never mentions. Where's the Greek history, or Roman? Oh,I forgot. It's a Jewish history.

By your logic, every single book on American history IS NOT HISTORY because Slovenian or Estonian history is NOT included. Huh???

And, btw, the writer of the book of Mark is ... Mark!!!

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

By your logic, every single book on American history IS NOT HISTORY because Slovenian or Estonian history is NOT included. Huh???

And, btw, the writer of the book of Mark is ... Mark!!!

Books on American history are not history because they don't include the fact that America was first discovered by the Chinese and will be coming back in future to reclaim their land! That's how awareness'es faulty loigic argument is like the Chinese history arguments.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That's *conveniently* an absurd standard to place on the Bible.

Genesis 2.4, for example, says, "These are the generations of the heaven and the earth when they were created."

Obviously an "historical" record, but you guys apparently read about this so-called "disclaimer" by some university moron ... err scholar like Ehrman ... and believed this nonsense.

Luke himself precedes two books with statements like, "draw up a narrative concerning these matters," but it's not "history" because he didn't use the right words. Seriously?

So when the Bible repeatedly instructs us that "these things were recorded," it is not actually an "historical record" because it did not use the words "historical record."

Are you guys really doubling down on dumb? You guys are better than this! Have you actually gone off the deep end with this PC talk? The LC was also this way -- i.e. you can't be a "real" church unless you call yourself "THE church IN anytown."

The creation accounts in Genesis are without a doubt ancient Israel's stories of the world's beginnings. Are they scientifically accurate accounts of the origin of the cosmos, the earth or natural history? The overwhelming evidence of modern science says no. And the efforts of the young earth creationists and the gap theorists like Pember to reconcile Genesis with the body of scientific evidence are total failures. I don't see how you as an intelligent person cannot recognize this on some level.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

The creation accounts in Genesis are without a doubt ancient Israel's stories of the world's beginnings. Are they scientifically accurate accounts of the origin of the cosmos, the earth or natural history? The overwhelming evidence of modern science says no. And the efforts of the young earth creationists and the gap theorists like Pember to reconcile Genesis with the body of scientific evidence are total failures. I don't see how you as an intelligent person cannot recognize this on some level.

I agree that the interpretations that I have read concerning creationists and others are a total failure. They are really wrong.

But the error I feel is in the interpretation of the Bible. Not the Bible.

[Ohio]

After 2 years of Fake News reporting by the Left, here is the preview for the big announcement:

Mueller report PSA: Prepare for disappointment

I have been telling you guys this for like ever, and you keep scolding me that Muller needs more time. When will you guys accept the fact that the Mainstream Media constantly lies to tha American public?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

When will you guys accept the fact that the Mainstream Media constantly lies to tha American public?

Don't know the you guys that you're addressing, but I realized that during the fake news, by all but one, including Fox, and those on the left, supporting going into war with Iraq.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Don't know the you guys that you're addressing, but I realized that during the fake news, by all but one, including Fox, and those on the left, supporting going into war with Iraq.

War in Iraq?

[zeek]

Saudi Arabia says journalist Jamal Khashoggi is Dead; 18 Are Arrested
Mr. Khashoggi was strangled after a fistfight, officials said

Trump said that Saudi Arabia’s statements were credible. He added he would consider “some form of sanction” but would prefer it didn’t involve arm sales. So far it looks like Trump is going along with the cover-up.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

War in Iraq?

What? You thought Trump invented Fake News? Cheney & Bush were using it long before Trump started using it.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

After 2 years of Fake News reporting by the Left, here is the preview for the big announcement:

Mueller report PSA: Prepare for disappointment

I have been telling you guys this for like ever, and you keep scolding me that Muller needs more time. When will you guys accept the fact that the Mainstream Media constantly lies to tha American public?

Fitting that you would attack the media after your idol Trump praised a congressman for body-slamming a journalist who was just doing his job and your Idol and his administration are assisting in the cover-up of his Saudi Arabian prince buddy's apparent hit job on a journalist. Coincidentally the journalist works for the Washington Post who you and Trump and Saudi Arabia hate. So score another win for the Team Trump in the war on against the First Amendment freedom. Hooray for your side.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Fitting that you would attack the media after your idol Trump praised a congressman for body-slamming a journalist who was just doing his job and your Idol and his administration are assisting in the cover-up of his Saudi Arabian prince buddy's apparent hit job on a journalist. Coincidentally the journalist works for the Washington Post who you and Trump and Saudi Arabia hate. So score another win for the Team Trump in the war on against the First Amendment freedom. Hooray for your side.

Never an honest moment zeek?

Still grasping at idols to divert attention away from your savior Muller.

Better go back and erase a hundred posts of yours claiming Muller will get Trump, your sworn enemy.

And now you are blaming Trump for the murder of a Saudi in Turkey? I think you should see a shrink. Trump Derangement Hatred has made you crazy.