Judge not that ye be not judged...

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

According to the writings of Nee and Lee, a servant of God is not supposed to receive any salary. If we serve God then we should ask God for our salary. If we serve man then we should ask man for our salary. (paraphrased Nee)

Please provide a documented quote from Witness Lee. I don't recall Lee saying anything like this. Not sure about Nee, but since you Local Churchers don't follow Watchman Nee (at least when he contradicts Lee) I'm not as interested in what Nee taught.

I would think there are quite a number of sisters/women who volunteered tens of thousands of hours at the Living Stream who are wishing Philip Lee never got any salary...from God or from man. After all, if his Acting God daddy had not showered him with a lavish salary, maybe he would have had to get a real job, and then he wouldn't have had as much time on his hands to sexually abuse and harass those poor sisters, or to use all that expendable cash on booze, porn mags and Rolex watches.

But giving is a matter of free will. The question is , are payments in the local church today free will giving or are they some sort of salaried, contractual arrangement. If it's salaried like the denominations then it would be hypocritical.

Have you reviewed any of the tax forms released by the Living Stream Ministry? There are quite a number of "salaried" employees. Some are payed rather handsomely, with some pretty nice benefits and perks. Do you think Benson Phillips has no "contractual arrangement"? How about Kerry Robichaux - do you think a smart guy like him is just hoping and wishing that he'll get paid? Not on your life. He gets a salary..he has a contractual arrangement.
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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Have you reviewed any of the tax forms released by the Living Stream Ministry? There are quite a number of "salaried" employees. Some are payed rather handsomely, with some pretty nice benefits and perks. Do you think Benson Phillips has no "contractual arrangement"? How about Kerry Robichaux - do you think a smart guy like him is just hoping and wishing that he'll get paid? Not on your life. He gets a salary..he has a contractual arrangement.
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And let's not be fooled into thinking that one's "salary" or "contractual arrangement" with LSM has absolutely no effect on one's decisions and Christian service. Once all of these brothers, grown up in the LC's, leave their home church and become employed by LSM, they lose all independence. They become captives, or as Evan G calls them "hirelings."

The Bible teaches us that our loyalties and service ultimately must be to the Lord Himself. Throughout the centuries untold men of God have sacrificed their own lives and futures because they refused to compromise their service. LSM regularly condemns this type of "independence," but without a certain amount of it, all workers become compromised "man-pleasers." I definitely prefer that workers and ministers are supported by their home churches, than by some distant book publisher, which places loyalty to them above all.

Look at Titus Chu of Cleveland or Dong Yu Lan of Sao Paulo. Both of them were connected for years to the work at LSM. They both had long term relationships which they had no intention to sever, but they also maintained a certain independence from the financial / bureaucratic / legalistic / and exclusive theological bondage to LSM. Because of that her Blended authorities could not control them, and viewed them as threats, which demanded surgical removal at all cost -- even the collateral damage of hundreds even thousands of saints.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Please provide a documented quote from Witness Lee. I don't recall Lee saying anything like this. Not sure about Nee, but since you Local Churchers don't follow Watchman Nee (at least when he contradicts Lee) I'm not as interested in what Nee taught.

I would think there are quite a number of sisters/women who volunteered tens of thousands of hours at the Living Stream who are wishing Philip Lee never got any salary...from God or from man. After all, if his Acting God daddy had not showered him with a lavish salary, maybe he would have had to get a real job, and then he wouldn't have had as much time on his hands to sexually abuse and harass those poor sisters, or to use all that expendable cash on booze, porn mags and Rolex watches.

Have you reviewed any of the tax forms released by the Living Stream Ministry? There are quite a number of "salaried" employees. Some are payed rather handsomely, with some pretty nice benefits and perks. Do you think Benson Phillips has no "contractual arrangement"? How about Kerry Robichaux - do you think a smart guy like him is just hoping and wishing that he'll get paid? Not on your life. He gets a salary..he has a contractual arrangement.
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I'm not sure what you mean by not following Nee - we read Watchman Nee's books.

The matters you raised are not the same thing as "local churches paying elders a salary". These matters you raised has nothing to do with my giving going to support an elder's salary.

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I'm not sure what you mean by not following Nee - we read Watchman Nee's books.

The matters you raised are not the same thing as "local churches paying elders a salary". These matters you raised has nothing to do with my giving going to support an elder's salary.

I’m not sure, Untohim may be right?

It depends on what your definition of is is...

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I'm not sure what you mean by not following Nee - we read Watchman Nee's books.

Wow. Just wow. Please ask you local elder, or better yet, shoot an email or make a call to one of the Blended Brothers and ask them about following Watchman Nee. Nee is the founder and the father of the Local Church movement. Are you saying you don't follow the founder and the father of your movement? This would be like a Mormon saying "I don't follow Joseph Smith", or a Seventh Day Adventist saying "I don't follow Ellen G. White, or a Christian Scientist saying "I don't follow Mary Baker Eddy".

The matters you raised are not the same thing as "local churches paying elders a salary". These matters you raised has nothing to do with my giving going to support an elder's salary.

Originally Posted by Evangelical

According to the writings of Nee and Lee, a servant of God is not supposed to receive any salary.

So you don't consider the brothers over there on La Palma Ave in Anaheim as "servants of God"? Well then, my brother, you better skip that call about asking about following Watchman Nee, and tell them that you are initiating a class action suit against the Blended Brothers for taking a salary when it is clearly against the teachings of Nee and Lee.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Wow. Just wow. Please ask you local elder, or better yet, shoot an email or make a call to one of the Blended Brothers and ask them about following Watchman Nee. Nee is the founder and the father of the Local Church movement. Are you saying you don't follow the founder and the father of your movement? This would be like a Mormon saying "I don't follow Joseph Smith", or a Seventh Day Adventist saying "I don't follow Ellen G. White, or a Christian Scientist saying "I don't follow Mary Baker Eddy".





So you don't consider the brothers over there on La Palma Ave in Anaheim as "servants of God"? Well then, my brother, you better skip that call about asking about following Watchman Nee, and tell them that you are initiating a class action suit against the Blended Brothers for taking a salary when it is clearly against the teachings of Nee and Lee.

Are you saying that Witness Lee contradicted Watchman Nee's teaching about servants of God receiving salaries?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Are you saying that Witness Lee contradicted Watchman Nee's teaching about servants of God receiving salaries?

That's exactly what all of us have said for years.

Go back and read Nee's TNCCL and compare with the Blended's practices.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That's exactly what all of us have said for years.

Go back and read Nee's TNCCL and compare with the Blended's practices.

Somebody needs to explain this apparent discrepancy.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Somebody needs to explain this apparent discrepancy.

Not here. Open another topic.

Or, on 9/6/2016 you started a topic on this forum “Nee’s Local Church”. You could start there.