Poor poor Christianity?

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I'm talking about human sacrifice and cannibalism, like the Aztecs did everyday, by cutting out the heart while beating, and tossing the body down the stairs, for the owner of the sacrificed person to take home and eat.

I'm not talking about sacrificing your money at Walmart, to buy a sacrificed cow, for a burnt offering on the BBQ. I'm talking about human sacrifice, and eating it.

Speaking generally, following the evolution and development of human history, human sacrifice to a deity, and eating it, was practiced by early man. Then, as typified by Abraham's sacrifice of Issac, sacrifices to propitiate God was switched from human sacrifice, to animal sacrifice. In the Bible human sacrifice is punishable by stoning.

Zeek spoke about the sacrificed messiah. I just pointed out that our scarified messiah was a human sacrifice, that we're still eating today.

This is just a type of the old practice of early man, of sacrificing human's to propitiate a deity, and then eating it. Something God forbid in the OT.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

I'm talking about human sacrifice and cannibalism, like the Aztecs did everyday, by cutting out the heart while beating, and tossing the body down the stairs, for the owner of the sacrificed person to take home and eat.

I'm not talking about sacrificing your money at Walmart, to buy a sacrificed cow, for a burnt offering on the BBQ. I'm talking about human sacrifice, and eating it.

Speaking generally, following the evolution and development of human history, human sacrifice to a deity, and eating it, was practiced by early man. Then, as typified by Abraham's sacrifice of Issac, sacrifices to propitiate God was switched from human sacrifice, to animal sacrifice. In the Bible human sacrifice is punishable by stoning.

Zeek spoke about the sacrificed messiah. I just pointed out that our scarified messiah was a human sacrifice, that we're still eating today.

This is just a type of the old practice of early man, of sacrificing human's to propitiate a deity, and then eating it. Something God forbid in the OT.

Let's be realistic. Stalin required human sacrifices, Mao required human sacrifices, Hitler required human sacrifices, all the Roman emperors required human sacrifices, and yes, the US govt required human sacrifices. That is the way of the world and human govt.

The only exception to this rule is Jesus.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Let's be realistic. Stalin required human sacrifices, Mao required human sacrifices, Hitler required human sacrifices, all the Roman emperors required human sacrifices, and yes, the US govt required human sacrifices. That is the way of the world and human govt.

Did they sacrifice to a deity, and then eat the sacrifices?

Originally Posted by Z

The only exception to this rule is Jesus.

What do you mean by that? Wasn't Jesus a human sacrifice, that we eat?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Did they sacrifice to a deity, and then eat the sacrifices?

Yes. Roman Emperors all considered themselves deities. Likewise with Kings who had "divine right to rule". Stalin and Mao were atheists, just a convoluted way of saying they were Gods. Yes, these rulers "ate the sacrifice". Think of Nero burning down half the city so he could get a good break on the purchase of the land.

Originally Posted by awareness

What do you mean by that? Wasn't Jesus a human sacrifice, that we eat?

The rule is that human govt requires a human sacrifice from the subjects, Jesus is the exception to the rule, in His case the human sacrifice was from the Lord. In every other govt the rulers eat the human sacrifice, in the heavenly kingdom the subjects eat the sacrifice from the Lord.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes. Roman Emperors all considered themselves deities. Likewise with Kings who had "divine right to rule". Stalin and Mao were atheists, just a convoluted way of saying they were Gods. Yes, these rulers "ate the sacrifice". Think of Nero burning down half the city so he could get a good break on the purchase of the land.



The rule is that human govt requires a human sacrifice from the subjects, Jesus is the exception to the rule, in His case the human sacrifice was from the Lord. In every other govt the rulers eat the human sacrifice, in the heavenly kingdom the subjects eat the sacrifice from the Lord.

I think we'd have a better conversation if you tried to understand me. Am I not being clear about the practice of human sacrifice and cannibalism?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

I think we'd have a better conversation if you tried to understand me. Am I not being clear about the practice of human sacrifice and cannibalism?

Of course I know what you are saying. You are saying that Jesus death was a human sacrifice and His instructions to us that He was giving His body and blood for us to eat and drink are analogous to cannibalism. I agree with you.

What you are missing in your insight is that it was not the Christians that crucified Jesus, nor was it according to Jewish law, nor was it according to Roman law. He was crucified by the religious and political leaders as a matter of expediency. That is what they have been doing for all of recorded history. In Egypt they slaughtered the Jewish males because they were becoming a problem. All of the Roman emperors did this, particularly Nero. All of the kings and emperors have done this. Hitler did this, etc.

There are two sides to the Lord's human sacrifice and you have only looked at one of the sides. Yes, Jesus gave His life for us. But on the other hand it was the grasping leaders trying to hold onto their position and power that took his life. They are the ones who performed the human sacrifice.

Consider the Lord's word to those that asked for a sign. If the sky is red at night you say you will have peace tomorrow, but if the sky is red in the morning you say it will be stormy. On the one hand Jesus' death was the end of the day for his followers, the sky was red at night, in the coming age we will have peace. But for those that took His life they saw it as the dawn of their day. This age we are in is an evil and adulterous age ruled by those who took the Lord's life (which according to you was a human sacrifice and cannibalism). They are not simply interested in killing the Lord, they also want to take His widow's house, i.e. "eating" Him. They are in for a storm.

How can abortion be viewed as anything but human sacrifice? Why? Expediency. So stop pretending like "human sacrifice" is something superstitious people from long ago practiced, it is taking place today more than ever and is at the very focal point of our political debate.

I realize that you like to draw Abraham and Isaac into this little debate to show that human sacrifice is in the OT, but that is a very misguided interpretation. Yes, Abraham had set his mind to offer up Isaac, but that was never God's plan. The OT laws and practices don't come from Abraham, they come from God. This experience demonstrated to Isaac that the way of faith is the crucified life. That was the point, not to sacrifice Isaac to God, but to train up Isaac in the way he should go.

The real OT references to human sacrifice are firstly the Passover. They put the blood of the lamb on the doorpost to signify that in this family a lamb had already been sacrificed. This refers back to the babies killed by the Egyptians. The Passover was God's justice in response to the human sacrifice the Egyptians had performed.

Secondly in Deuteronomy the Bible says that God is dispossessing the people because they cause their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, and they cause their seed to pass through the fire. The term "fetus" means "seed". This was a reference to abortion and infanticide. Human sacrifice. This is still done today, we don't toss these dead babies in the trash, we incinerate them, make them to pass through the fire. The medical personnel that perform these are modern day priests to Molech and Baal.

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Of course I know what you are saying. You are saying that Jesus death was a human sacrifice and His instructions to us that He was giving His body and blood for us to eat and drink are analogous to cannibalism. I agree with you.

Finally. I knew you had to understand me. It was frustrating that you were dancing around it. You've proven yourself to be quite a good dancer.

Originally Posted by ZNP

What you are missing in your insight is that it was not the Christians that crucified Jesus, nor was it according to Jewish law, nor was it according to Roman law.

Of course it wasn't the Christians that crucified Jesus, there weren't any. And according to Leviticus 24:16 the punishment for blasphemy is death. And the Romans crucified all that were a threat to Caesar, and all who claimed to be the messiah. Jesus knew this, as a messiah was crucified by the Romans when he was young. That's why he wanted to keep the claim secret.

Originally Posted by ZNP

He was crucified by the religious and political leaders as a matter of expediency. That is what they have been doing for all of recorded history.

"Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

And by your wide ranging definition God sacrifice all but a handful of the human race, and the critters, with the flood.

As I've been taught since a kid it was God's plan to sacrifice the Lamb of God for the sins of the world. If that's true, a human sacrifice OF HIS SON was part of His plan.