The Worst Mouthful Ever

[countmeworthy]

Evangelical wrote:

I understand Kevin is upset, I would be too, he has every right to be.

You did not come across being somewhat supportive or understanding Kevin being shaken up and upset. While I do not know Kevin or the author of the post, the poster came across extremely pharisee istic. Jesus called them a brood of vipers. Jesus was compassionate towards the sinners, the woman caught in adultery who by the law was supposed to be stoned to death.

If this fellow is Satan Himself then I suppose Kevin is Jesus.

Your really come across ignorant with this comment Mr E. Spiritually ignorant. Is this what they are teaching in your fellowship group, the LSM these days?? Pitiful!

Satan questioned and tempted Jesus about whether he was the Son of God.

Satan's goal is always to overthrow God. He is full of arrogance and pride even though he lost his beauty and position. He has not learned anything fro his fall and never will. His evil 'heart' in fact has enlarged it seems. The LSM is treading on quicksand just like Satan with it's arrogant and prideful teachings.

A more mature reaction by Kevin to this sort of thing would be to acknowledge his opinions,

A more mature answer from this pompous LSM poster was to shower him with God's love, to point him to JESUS and not away from HIM. A more mature response from you should have been something like "Kevin. I don't know the circumstances that caused this poster to speak to you the way he did but Jesus will NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU. (Hebrews 13:5)

Jesus began a good work in you and He will finish it (Philippians 1:6)because you are his and He loves you.

perhaps thank him for them, and move on.

Did you thank Kevin for sharing?

Is this fellow quoting scripture to Kevin to try and make him leave or deny Christ?

I read the entire post and it was disturbing... TO ME.

Is he asking Kevin to commit some sort of sin? I see no evidence of that in his post.

again.. Mr E.. where is your brain?? You need to ask the HOLY SPIRIT TO RENEW YOUR MIND!! Surely he was not asking Kevin to commit some sort of sin. He was indirectly accusing him of 'sin'...Let me be specific because you won't get it without specifics.

Here is exactly what the poster wrote and why we EX LCRS, (Praise the LORD HIS HOLY AND MERCIFUL SPIRIT LED US OUT) were highly disturbed :
you rebelled against the church and definitely caused you to be excommunicated from the unique fellowship of the Body of Christ. You are certainly fallen to the most sorrowful situation of losing the ground of oneness, since you were cast out from our midst. Your situation proves that the Lord is sovereign as the Head of the church miniaturized by the local churches as His Body

You are laid bare before God and thereby diagnosed polluted, infectious, gangrene, at an early stage.

I hope the LORD opens the poster's eyes and heart and creates in him a clean and pure heart repenting for what he wrote. Who is HE (the poster) to dare call a person who disagrees with the LSM's teachings polluted, infectious, gangrene. Did it not disturb YOU MR E? Did it not embarrass you? Probably not since you are so beholden to the LSM's ways, teachings and words, far more than you are beholden to the Words of Jesus and Paul's words through the Holy Spirit.

I guarantee the poster will have to answer to the JUDGE, King Lord Jesus for such harsh words!! You really believe the LORD is pleased and smiling down at the poster's words to Kevin? SHAME ON YOU if you think that!

Is he trying to make Kevin afraid? Possibly, but with what fear? The fear of God, possibly? Perhaps the love of Christ and the Church compelled him to say a strong word.

The Love of Christ is no more there than it is in the Roman Catholic church. The LSM has allowed the spirit of Jezebel to control it and control the beloved deceived saints who are loyal to Witness Lee's teachings way more than they are loyal to Father God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

The LSM controls the saints just as the RCC controls it's catholic followers. The JEZEBEL SPIRIT makes people afraid. She made Ahab and her followers afraid. The RCC who claims it is the one true church has made people afraid to leave it's controlling and idolotrous teachings. I know so many people who go to both 'protestant' churches and the RCC.

They can't break free of their mother..

Of course, we all know the Lord's recovery is NOTHING like the RCC. It doesn't control anyone!! It just excommunicates people and calls them

polluted, infectious, gangrene

Makes them feel God does not love them..and they will most likely end up in the 'outer darkness'.

Instead, I see a tendency to over-react by delicate flowers (myself included,

WOW!! you humbled yourself??? WOW!!

All Glory and Praise to KING JESUS!! May FATHER GOD'S PERFECT WILL BE DONE in all His children in the Mighty and Precious, and Beloved Name of Jesus Christ.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Evangelical wrote:



You did not come across being somewhat supportive or understanding Kevin being shaken up and upset. While I do not know Kevin or the author of the post, the poster came across extremely pharisee istic. Jesus called them a brood of vipers. Jesus was compassionate towards the sinners, the woman caught in adultery who by the law was supposed to be stoned to death.



Your really come across ignorant with this comment Mr E. Spiritually ignorant. Is this what they are teaching in your fellowship group, the LSM these days?? Pitiful!




Satan's goal is always to overthrow God. He is full of arrogance and pride even though he lost his beauty and position. He has not learned anything fro his fall and never will. His evil 'heart' in fact has enlarged it seems. The LSM is treading on quicksand just like Satan with it's arrogant and prideful teachings.




A more mature answer from this pompous LSM poster was to shower him with God's love, to point him to JESUS and not away from HIM. A more mature response from you should have been something like "Kevin. I don't know the circumstances that caused this poster to speak to you the way he did but Jesus will NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU. (Hebrews 13:5)

Jesus began a good work in you and He will finish it (Philippians 1:6)because you are his and He loves you.



Did you thank Kevin for sharing?



I read the entire post and it was disturbing... TO ME.


again.. Mr E.. where is your brain?? You need to ask the HOLY SPIRIT TO RENEW YOUR MIND!! Surely he was not asking Kevin to commit some sort of sin. He was indirectly accusing him of 'sin'...Let me be specific because you won't get it without specifics.

Here is exactly what the poster wrote and why we EX LCRS, (Praise the LORD HIS HOLY AND MERCIFUL SPIRIT LED US OUT) were highly disturbed :
you rebelled against the church and definitely caused you to be excommunicated from the unique fellowship of the Body of Christ. You are certainly fallen to the most sorrowful situation of losing the ground of oneness, since you were cast out from our midst. Your situation proves that the Lord is sovereign as the Head of the church miniaturized by the local churches as His Body

You are laid bare before God and thereby diagnosed polluted, infectious, gangrene, at an early stage.

I hope the LORD opens the poster's eyes and heart and creates in him a clean and pure heart repenting for what he wrote. Who is HE (the poster) to dare call a person who disagrees with the LSM's teachings polluted, infectious, gangrene. Did it not disturb YOU MR E? Did it not embarrass you? Probably not since you are so beholden to the LSM's ways, teachings and words, far more than you are beholden to the Words of Jesus and Paul's words through the Holy Spirit.

I guarantee the poster will have to answer to the JUDGE, King Lord Jesus for such harsh words!! You really believe the LORD is pleased and smiling down at the poster's words to Kevin? SHAME ON YOU if you think that!



The Love of Christ is no more there than it is in the Roman Catholic church. The LSM has allowed the spirit of Jezebel to control it and control the beloved deceived saints who are loyal to Witness Lee's teachings way more than they are loyal to Father God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

The LSM controls the saints just as the RCC controls it's catholic followers. The JEZEBEL SPIRIT makes people afraid. She made Ahab and her followers afraid. The RCC who claims it is the one true church has made people afraid to leave it's controlling and idolotrous teachings. I know so many people who go to both 'protestant' churches and the RCC.

They can't break free of their mother..

Of course, we all know the Lord's recovery is NOTHING like the RCC. It doesn't control anyone!! It just excommunicates people and calls them Makes them feel God does not love them..and they will most likely end up in the 'outer darkness'.




WOW!! you humbled yourself??? WOW!!

All Glory and Praise to KING JESUS!! May FATHER GOD'S PERFECT WILL BE DONE in all His children in the Mighty and Precious, and Beloved Name of Jesus Christ.

Words like "polluted" can describe the condition of believers mixed with the world.

I would caution people to not be hasty to call children of God "pure evil" or otherwise. His words were strong, as were Jesus's when rebuking the pharisees, but not necessarily evil.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Words like "polluted" can describe the condition of believers mixed with the world.

I would caution people to not be hasty to call children of God "pure evil" or otherwise. His words were strong, as were Jesus's when rebuking the pharisees, but not necessarily evil.

The "kind" words the "concerned brother" wrote are in bold. Mine are not in bold.


The measurement of our knowing the Lord Jesus is Loving Him as the person whom we have not seen and this is beyond Theology.

You have lost this experience since you rebelled against the church…

Wrong. Leaving the local church in no way affects anyone’s knowing the Lord Jesus and loving Him as the person whom we have not seen. There are millions of genuine, Jesus-loving Christians around the world that are not in the local church.

and definitely caused you to be excommunicated from the unique fellowship of the Body of Christ.

Wrong. Anyone who is a genuine believer is a part of the Body of Christ. The local churches are not “the Body of Christ”; they are part of it.

You are certainly fallen to the most sorrowful situation of losing the ground of oneness, since you were cast out from our midst. Your situation proves that the Lord is sovereign as the Head of the church miniaturized by the local churches as His Body

Wrong. There is no “miniaturized" Body in the Body of Christ.

You are laid bare before God and thereby diagnosed polluted, infectious, gangrene, at an early stage.

EvanG, you stated that the word “polluted” can describe the condition of believers mixed with the world, the implication being that that is what the “kind, concerned brother” meant. From Kevin’s posts on another thread, Kevin stated that he was strongly convicted to look for a Bible-based, Christ-honoring church. He said he wanted to pray about a group he was considering, to be sure he is following the Lord’s leading as he searched. What part of that is polluted?

Thank the Lord as the unique administrator in the Throne subjecting you under our feet as those sitting with Him in His throne

For one believer to say that any other believer is subjected under their feet is……well can anyone tell me if there is any sort of Biblical backup for this? If anyone in the local churches thinks they can subject other believers under their feet…..yikes. I know the Lord is on the throne and He has subjected all things under His feet. I know we are seated in the heavenlies with Him. I just cannot make the leap that believers subject other believers under their feet.

The Lord saw you in your real situation as He walks in the midst of the Churches. He saw you how polluted you became that it even reaches to your heart as He search it and found no repentance at all but rather worsen your own situation of putting yourself into a curse.

EvanG, you cautioned some posters against calling “evil” a person they did not know and whose heart they did not know. I would similarly apply that admonition here……this “concerned” brother should not pointedly call another believer “polluted”. I would also caution against any mortal human claiming to know what the Lord saw and what the Lord found when he searched anyone’s heart.

Of being against the teaching in which you were taught. Wait the result of all these that you are doing. Think of the authority of the Church of what it can do for you.

You are are the one the what you called leper, sick with itchy ear and has became blind by your continuously defiled in an exposed, contaminated sphere explored by you out of curiosity and thereby suffering the consequence of acting like boasting of the little knowledge gained and assumed it to be great.

Again, from what I have read, Kevin seems to be genuinely seeking after the Lord’s leading. We all have our own journey in the Lord. It is no one’s position to condemn another person’s genuine exploration and grasping after the Lord.

Frankly speaking, outside the Lord's Recovery all they can boast of, are nothing!!! We in the Lord's Recovery have the great Treasure store. And all theologians in the world are envy of it that's why many of them embraced the teaching as they got convinced while doing critical studies intensively, and you were very far compare to what you've done, you are doing, and what you will do

Wrong again. Wrong, wrong, wrong. I am ashamed to still be connected to a group that harbors people who think this way. As stated in other posts, there is no “we in the Lord’s Recovery”……without being schismatic. Just ask Watchman Nee…I’m happy to post that section again. All the theologians in the world are not “envy of it”, sorry. There is nothing anyone can boast in outside the Lord’s Recovery? How about boasting in Christ Jesus our Lord? He is outside the Lord’s Recovery. Is He nothing?

References you are using were obsoletes as to what authorities can recommend. Like for certain, The Recovery Version Bible is now considered Bibles for America. Nothing can hinder what the Lord is doing in His recovery today!!!

People like you can hinder what the Lord is doing…..that’s a fact!

His will is done here on earth as it is in the Heavens through His builded Church in His unique Recovery and everything apart from it is mess, a heap of collapsed

Take out “in His unique Recovery” (as applies to Lee’s group, not as applies to the work the Lord Himself is doing on the earth) and I agree. The heap of collapse also includes every word that the “concerned brother” Kevin quoted has said.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Trapped

The "kind" words the "concerned brother" wrote are in bold. Mine are not in bold...

Interesting that you invoked Watchman Nee. I think if we compared what Watchman Nee wrote about the church it will align with this fellow's views, not Kevin's, or yours. For example, the idea that the local churches are only part of the Body is not what Watchman Nee taught.

I am still of the opinion that this fellow was trying to communicate Watchman Nee's views regarding the church but did so poorly. Not necessarily evil, but rather unwise.

However some here have compared him and the local churches to Satan, which is a lower level than this fellow went to in my opinion because it is in the realm of blasphemy.

[Ohio]

I have read and reread Nee's The Normal Christian Church Life, And nearly nothing at LSM or the LC's matches that book.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Interesting that you invoked Watchman Nee. I think if we compared what Watchman Nee wrote about the church it will align with this fellow's views, not Kevin's, or yours. For example, the idea that the local churches are only part of the Body is not what Watchman Nee taught.

Sorry for my slow response to your quoted comment. Can you elaborate on this please? Thanks.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

You did not come across being somewhat supportive or understanding Kevin being shaken up and upset. While I do not know Kevin or the author of the post, the poster came across extremely pharisee istic. Jesus called them a brood of vipers. Jesus was compassionate towards the sinners, the woman caught in adultery who by the law was supposed to be stoned to death.


......Your really come across ignorant with this comment Mr E. Spiritually ignorant. Is this what they are teaching in your fellowship group, the LSM these days?? Pitiful!

Satan's goal is always to overthrow God. He is full of arrogance and pride even though he lost his beauty and position. He has not learned anything fro his fall and never will. His evil 'heart' in fact has enlarged it seems. The LSM is treading on quicksand just like Satan with it's arrogant and prideful teachings.

.....again.. Mr E.. where is your brain?? You need to ask the HOLY SPIRIT TO RENEW YOUR MIND!!

........I hope the LORD opens the poster's eyes and heart and creates in him a clean and pure heart repenting for what he wrote. Who is HE (the poster) to dare call a person who disagrees with the LSM's teachings polluted, infectious, gangrene. Did it not disturb YOU MR E? Did it not embarrass you? Probably not since you are so beholden to the LSM's ways, teachings and words, far more than you are beholden to the Words of Jesus and Paul's words through the Holy Spirit.

..............The LSM controls the saints just as the RCC controls it's catholic followers. The JEZEBEL SPIRIT makes people afraid. .

CMW,

I wonder if you perceive the irony in your post.

Frankly, I see no difference between content, tone, or delivery between it and Kevin’s poster.

Drake

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Drake

CMW,

I wonder if you perceive the irony in your post.

Frankly, I see no difference between content, tone, or delivery between it and Kevin’s poster.

Drake

To me it's quite different. CMW poses questions designed to admonish but offers grace and hope in her words, Kevin's poster was void of grace and possibility for redemption, and no attempt to restore Kevin to fellowship. God knows the heart of everyone and will judge accordingly. Yet it is unfair to judge on the basis of some words on a website.

I once used to converse with a lovely Christian old man over the internet. We became friends and I helped him, prayed for each other. I found out later he was a witch and his prayers were spells. This is why I say we just can't know who is behind the keyboard. Even a typed out prayer can be a prayer for one person and a spell for another.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

To me it's quite different. CMW poses questions designed to admonish but offers grace and hope in her words, Kevin's poster was void of grace and possibility for redemption, and no attempt to restore Kevin to fellowship. God knows the heart of everyone and will judge accordingly. Yet it is unfair to judge on the basis of some words on a website.

I once used to converse with a lovely Christian old man over the internet. We became friends and I helped him, prayed for each other. I found out later he was a witch and his prayers were spells. This is why I say we just can't know who is behind the keyboard. Even a typed out prayer can be a prayer for one person and a spell for another.

I missed the “grace and hope” part in either.

On Kevin’s poster, there is apparently a history there or at least some understanding of events that transpired with Kevin and the locality he was in. The poster refers to excommunication and perhaps that was downstream from or related to Kevin’s very first post in the forum last year. So there is a context, a language barrier, and perhaps a cultural aspect to Kevin’s poster that is part of a bigger picture we don’t see. Nevertheless, where I sit the tone, content, and delivery were over the top..... as was CMWs.

Drake

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

To me it's quite different. CMW poses questions designed to admonish but offers grace and hope in her words, Kevin's poster was void of grace and possibility for redemption, and no attempt to restore Kevin to fellowship. God knows the heart of everyone and will judge accordingly. Yet it is unfair to judge on the basis of some words on a website.

I once used to converse with a lovely Christian old man over the internet. We became friends and I helped him, prayed for each other. I found out later he was a witch and his prayers were spells. This is why I say we just can't know who is behind the keyboard. Even a typed out prayer can be a prayer for one person and a spell for another.

Interesting situation you found yourself in.

I remember whole meetings where we prayed like casting spells. For example among many, in praying for a sister whose husband wasn't a believer, we all prayed things like, "Lord wreck his life." And another would pray, "Lord wreck his business." And everyone would shout "amen," and continue casting spells.

And the spells worked. His life and business were wrecked. He came into the local church.

Then that local church was eventually wrecked, and no longer exists.

So the last thing I would ever want is a local churcher praying for me.