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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Here is a sample of the LCM teaching on politics and the church:




According to Nee the Bible teaches that it is wrong for a Christian to hold political office. So, professing Christians should not run for or hold public office or work for the government. The business of government should be left to unbelievers.

I worked for the State of Florida for 37 years. It never occurred to me that I was acting unchristian. How about that?

I think we need to return to Post #1. Does holding public office require you to act in a way that is unchristian?

My issue is hypocrisy. Slavery was hypocritical. It involved lying, deceit, distorting the word of God, etc. Civil rights will never result in a world that is just if those fighting for civil rights are hypocrites. You will not get justice if the foundation is lies, deceits, and hypocrisy.

I don't excuse the lies and deceits of Clinton, on the other hand I don't think that Clinton's lies justify or exonerate Trump's lies.

It is quite obvious that many people feel you have to compensate for past injustice with present injustice. I believe that is a failed strategy. If people rebelled against the past injustice then they will certainly rebel against institutional injustice that is supposed to "compensate" for that.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think we need to return to Post #1. Does holding public office require you to act in a way that is unchristian?

My issue is hypocrisy. Slavery was hypocritical. It involved lying, deceit, distorting the word of God, etc. Civil rights will never result in a world that is just if those fighting for civil rights are hypocrites. You will not get justice if the foundation is lies, deceits, and hypocrisy.

I don't excuse the lies and deceits of Clinton, on the other hand I don't think that Clinton's lies justify or exonerate Trump's lies.

It is quite obvious that many people feel you have to compensate for past injustice with present injustice. I believe that is a failed strategy. If people rebelled against the past injustice then they will certainly rebel against institutional injustice that is supposed to "compensate" for that.

Where and how do your comments about Clinton (Bill? Hilary?) and Trump fit into racial reparations and perceived past injustices?

These comments are flawed on so many levels.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Where and how do your comments about Clinton (Bill? Hilary?) and Trump fit into racial reparations and perceived past injustices?

These comments are flawed on so many levels.

Simple, a kingdom is built on a foundation of righteousness.

The civil rights movement condemned past unrighteousness, but if they do that by perpetuating unrighteousness it will fail.

Same is true of Trump. His campaign was based on condemning past unrighteousness. But if he perpetuates the unrighteousness he will fail.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Simple, a kingdom is built on a foundation of righteousness.

The civil rights movement condemned past unrighteousness, but if they do that by perpetuating unrighteousness it will fail.

Same is true of Trump. His campaign was based on condemning past unrighteousness. But if he perpetuates the unrighteousness he will fail.

Ohhhh...kay.

And what is the unrighteousness that Trump is perpetuating?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Ohhhh...kay.

And what is the unrighteousness that Trump is perpetuating?

Too soon to make a final judgement.

I would say that the recent trip to Helsinki smells of unrighteousness. Some have called it treasonous, others have called it despicable. I have yet to hear anyone defend his actions. But I said "if he", still too early to say specifically.

However, the recent tape released that both Trump and Guiliani have authenticated and which they both claim "proves Trump did nothing wrong" I consider very troubling.

What does the tape prove?

1. Trump had an affair with that woman.

2. Trump was in the habit of having his fixer pay off tabloid papers to buy and bury the stories from these affairs.

3. Trump lied when he said he knew nothing of Cohen making the payment.

By any measure I feel it is absurd to say that proving these three things is equated with "proving Trump did nothing wrong". Once again, this reminds me of the complaints about Clinton not having a moral compass.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

By any measure I feel it is absurd to say that proving these three things is equated with "proving Trump did nothing wrong". Once again, this reminds me of the complaints about Clinton not having a moral compass.

Let me make a distinction here between the "moral compasses" of Trump and Clinton. First, Clinton raped and molested women, and took advantage of teenage interns using his power. Trump's affairs, however, were consensual with "professional" women. The Clinton apparatus went after these women to silence them, Trump however bought their silence. Supposedly we are in the #MeToo generation, where all consensual sex between adults is warranted.

History taught us that marital fidelity was preferred but not something Americans could demand of Presidents. JFK and WJC were liberal icons yet serial philanderers, while Eisenhower, FDR, and others still had their affairs. None of them got the 24/7 treatment that Trump gets, so the media makes Trump look far worse than others. It was only after public scandal that Americans seemed to demand a "moral" president like Carter or Bush. Unfortunately neither of these was respected as a great leader. Thus the truly great presidents, both moral and brilliant leaders, are reduced to a handful like Washington, Lincoln, and Reagan.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I would say that the recent trip to Helsinki smells of unrighteousness. Some have called it treasonous, others have called it despicable.

Trump was set up. How can Trump say he can trust American Intelligence after facing the corruption of Yates, Comey, McCabe, Clapper, Muller, Rosenstein, Powers, Lynch, Strzok, Page, and the Communist Brennan? Amer Intel has exonerated Clinton and attempted a coup against him. After one meeting with Putin, he appeared to be less ingenuous than all the others he has faced. Of course, the media immediately pulled a bait'n'switch saying Coats was his DNI.

The media has claimed treason and the destruction of our democracy since Nov 8, 2016. Don't be fooled by hysteria. Follow the facts. That's what your forensics training has taught you.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Trump was set up. How can Trump say he can trust American Intelligence after facing the corruption of Yates, Comey, McCabe, Clapper, Muller, Rosenstein, Powers, Lynch, Strzok, Page, and the Communist Brennan? Amer Intel has exonerated Clinton and attempted a coup against him. After one meeting with Putin, he appeared to be less ingenuous than all the others he has faced. Of course, the media immediately pulled a bait'n'switch saying Coats was his DNI.

The media has claimed treason and the destruction of our democracy since Nov 8, 2016. Don't be fooled by hysteria. Follow the facts. That's what your forensics training has taught you.

I am looking at the most loyal supporters of Trump.

1. Generally a meeting of this sort would involve a tremendous amount of preparation between State departments and low level experts to hash out agreements. There was none of that.

2. Generally a meeting of this magnitude would involve 20 people on each side of the table, each with various portfolios. Again, none of that.

3. Although meetings between the President of the US and the leader of Russia would be confidential, that doesn't apply to other members of our government with Top Secret clearance. The idea that the only person who knows what took place was the interpreter is, at the very least, alarming.

4. The idea that Top officials for national security would be surprised on a TV show about Trump's announcement for another State visit with Putin, at the very least, demonstrates that he keeps everyone else out of the loop. That also is alarming to me.

5. Siding with Russia against the conclusions of our own intelligence concerning Russian meddling, is extremely alarming. To me that alone warrants taking precautions against the possibility that Trump has been compromised.

6. Trump's idiotic applause for Putin to interrogate the suspects and let us watch as long as the Russians could also interrogate US ambassadors, that is scary alarming.

7. I agree with the conclusion that this single event is the most embarrassing diplomatic fiasco in the history of US Presidents.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Simple, a kingdom is built on a foundation of righteousness.

The civil rights movement condemned past unrighteousness, but if they do that by perpetuating unrighteousness it will fail.

Same is true of Trump. His campaign was based on condemning past unrighteousness. But if he perpetuates the unrighteousness he will fail.

Once a liar, always a liar. And it doesn't matter if past presidents lied, as we know they did. Trump is our president now, and he clearly lies more than all the rest. I don't trust liars, whether left or right. That's one reason I'm an independent. Trump clearly can't be trusted, and all his words are called into question. Who in their right mind could trust him?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Once a liar, always a liar. And it doesn't matter if past presidents lied, as we know they did. Trump is our president now, and he clearly lies more than all the rest. I don't trust liars, whether left or right. That's one reason I'm an independent. Trump clearly can't be trusted, and all his words are called into question. Who in their right mind could trust him?

I think you will be embarrassed some day if you think Trump "lies more than the rest". What is fair to say is that his lies are far more transparent.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think you will be embarrassed some day if you think Trump "lies more than the rest". What is fair to say is that his lies are far more transparent.

Supposedly 90% of Trump's "lies" are simply when he calls out the MEDIA for their fake news.