If you were in Scottsdale would you take the Table..

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Thanks for the reply. And post #34 of yours suggests going to a gathering with the ones who meet as the Church in Phoenix. I am certainly open and will mention it to one of the brothers who I think has had some recent contact. We may be lead of Him to go over and share Christ with those saints!

(BTW - Right now we are traveling a few weeks in the aforementioned RV up in Colorado, and unfortunately we keep having to break camp on Sundays to travel to our next destination - just how it's all working out. Therefore I haven't, and won't, be able to gather with any LC - or other saints - up here on Sundays!)

So, Drake, the original question and purpose of this thread was, "If you were in Scottsdale, would you take the table and enjoy Christ with us?"

StG

Colorado? Sounds like fun.... but weren’t they having fires in the state? Are you far enough away? Durango was in the news and some roads were closed?

I still don’t know enough about Scottsdale Church to say for sure that I would break bread. When I visit community churches I am before the Lord not to engage in anything that would offend His headship or the authority of the Holy Spirit. Breaking bread is a serious matter and that is why I said before that a believer examines and judges carefully in that and should not be criticized for choosing not to partake of it.

Denominations build walls between Christians. As long as denominations stand the wall stands and the best that can be achieved is shaking hands over the walls. You or I may jump the wall, have a meeting, but when we leave we jump back over the wall and the wall still stands. However, perhaps the Scottsdale Church has built a wall of its own. I don’t know for sure.... but maybe your wall is built on the border of Scottsdale, that is, you will not have fellowship with other like-minded local churches such as the church in a Phoenix right next door.

Had you asked would I be willing to meet with you in Scottsdale or in the Scottsdale Church I would have said yes for sure, no doubt. But you asked specifically about breaking bread which is a serious matter.... so, I still do not know.

Drake

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Drake

Had you asked would I be willing to meet with you in Scottsdale or in the Scottsdale Church I would have said yes for sure, no doubt. But you asked specifically about breaking bread which is a serious matter.... so, I still do not know.

Yes, a very serious matter indeed. And that is why it is a very serious thing for a Christian (or group of Christians) to refuse to take the table with another Christian (or group of Christians) for purely sectarian reasons. In the case of the Local Church of Witness Lee, fellowship at the table is refused because of non-essential, non-biblical ecclesiastical reasons - aka: "you don't do church like us and so we will not have the table with you". The clear implication of this kind of sectarian stand is that "because you do not meet under our strict, narrow interpretation of a few descriptive verses we do not consider you worthy of breaking bread with". In actuality, of course, the real reason is that "you do not accept the person and work of Witness Lee - you do not accept him as the One Minister with the One Ministry for the Age, therefore you are unqualified and unworthy for us to break bread with".

This kind of sectarian (and some would say cultic) attitude/stand is exemplified by the words and actions of the Blended Brothers. To put a finer point on this, who could ever forget the ominous declaration by LSM President and Most Blended of Blendeds, Benson Phillips, "the process of sanctification is only taking place in the Lord's Recovery" (close paraphrase). So it's no wonder the average rank&file LC member refuses to take the Lord's table outside the doors of a LC meeting hall. After all, who wants to break bread with an unsanctified person or church....surely the Lord wouldn't want us to do that...now would he?
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[Drake]

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UntoHim,

Sanctification is a separate topic. Has no relevance in this discussion.

Your characterization must be referring to someone else you were thinking of.

Does not apply to me.

Thx
Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

I still don’t know enough about Scottsdale Church to say for sure that I would break bread. When I visit community churches I am before the Lord not to engage in anything that would offend His headship or the authority of the Holy Spirit. Breaking bread is a serious matter and that is why I said before that a believer examines and judges carefully in that and should not be criticized for choosing not to partake of it.

Drake, the scripture admonishes us to examine ourselves, and not to examine others, and to "prove ourselves" so that we do not partake of His table in an "unworthy manner." (I Cor 11.27-29)

Yet you still promote false un-biblical standards on all other congregations, such as the Church in Scottsdale, as if you are the Lord passing sentence on the hearts of all God's children who gather in His name to break bread. You judge them on their name (calling them instead "Scottsdale Church"), and their origins (former LC minister Bill Freeman), and their lack of association with LSM (as if some registration with a publisher somehow legitimizes them.)

Yet when you have witnessed all the corruption and unrighteousness at LSM headquarters, you have no thought to judge them. So many scripture stood ready to convict them, yet you can only find excuses for them based on abstruse readings of exclusive doctrines. You regularly dismiss the plain words of scripture for your obscure esoteric principles nobody else even has heard about.

Reminds me of the Lord's rebuke to the Pharisees, "Woe to you hypocrites, you pay tithes on mint, spices, and herbs, yet you pass by justice and the love of God." (Luke 11.42)