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[aron]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

ekklesia not of Jesus means churches not of Jesus? can you give examples of who these ekklesia were of?

I've already given you a NT 'ekklesia' not of Jesus in Acts 19:41. The word was in common use, and predated the gospels. It's not like Jesus invented it wholecloth in Matthew 16.

But if you want to condemn others for what you yourself practice, then you simply re-label and call it a "meeting" or "assembly".

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by aron

I've already given you a NT 'ekklesia' not of Jesus in Acts 19:41. The word was in common use, and predated the gospels. It's not like Jesus invented it wholecloth in Matthew 16.

But if you want to condemn others for what you yourself practice, then you simply re-label and call it a "meeting" or "assembly".

In Acts 19:41 it is rendered "legal assembly" and is clearly not the same thing as the assembly of believers.

I am using the term as it is used in Christian theology so maybe it's time you modernized your definitions:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesia_(Church)

Ecclesia (or Ekklesia) in Christian theology means both: a particular body of faithful people, and the whole body of the faithful. Latin ecclesia, from Greek ekklesia had an original meaning of "assembly, congregation, council", literally "convocation".

If you want to talk about "ekklesia not of Jesus" then you are really talking about an unrelated matter, about any gathering of people.

On this topic we are talking about "ekklesia of Jesus" and "ekklesia of sects/denominations", and the legal ekklesia in Acts 19:41 has no relation to this topic.