If you were in Scottsdale would you take the Table..

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

Not my worldview, but my experience. Each “Local Church” in the “oneness” I’ve visited or know of first hand have followed the writings of Witness Lee, no doubt about that. I could go take a picture of the literature in the church book room, their Bibles , and the hymn books as my proof (or would that still be in my filter?)

Drake, since I’m so out of whack here, please set me straight. What is a locality that doesn’t dedicate their church to the writings of Witness Lee? I don’t need an exhaustive list, one name is fine.

**edits for mistypes on new iPhone

The out of whack part is the ministry is for the churches NOT that a church dedicated to the writings of Witness Lee. So, not one but all of them that I know of or ever been a part of.

Drake

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Drake

The out of whack part is the ministry is for the churches NOT that a church dedicated to the writings of Witness Lee. So, not one but all of them that I know of or ever been a part of.

Drake

Yes, the ministry should be for the churches.

What is a locality in which Witness Lee (and Nee)'s books are NOT the primary ones read from, referenced, or sold?

Whether it be The Holy Word for Morning Revival, another ministry book by Lee/Nee, or the Recovery Version of the Bible (translated and footnoted by Lee)?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Yes, the ministry should be for the churches.

What is a locality in which Witness Lee (and Nee)'s books are NOT the primary ones read from, referenced, or sold?

Whether it be The Holy Word for Morning Revival, another ministry book by Lee/Nee, or the Recovery Version of the Bible (translated and footnoted by Lee)?

Trapped,

If none, how does that unprove the ministry is for the churches?

Drake

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Drake

Trapped,

If none, how does that unprove the ministry is for the churches?

Drake

Drake,

I made no such connection, claim, or implication that implied any disproving that the ministry is for the churches. That was not in my mind at all. My first sentence was simply agreeing with you that the ministry should be for the churches. Agreed.

My second sentence was a return to LofT's original question/line of thought. I was not drawing any connection, conclusion, or claim between the first and second sentence. If it helps, you can add the phrase "Back to the original thought" before my question to help make a distinction, because that was my intention when I wrote it.

Based on your initial response of "If none...", should I infer that your answer to the standalone question of "What is a locality in which Witness Lee (and Nee)'s books are NOT the primary ones read from, referenced, or sold?" is "none"?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Drake,

I made no such connection, claim, or implication that implied any disproving that the ministry is for the churches. That was not in my mind at all. My first sentence was simply agreeing with you that the ministry should be for the churches. Agreed.

My second sentence was a return to LofT's original question/line of thought. I was not drawing any connection, conclusion, or claim between the first and second sentence. If it helps, you can add the phrase "Back to the original thought" before my question to help make a distinction, because that was my intention when I wrote it.

Based on your initial response of "If none...", should I infer that your answer to the standalone question of "What is a locality in which Witness Lee (and Nee)'s books are NOT the primary ones read from, referenced, or sold?" is "none"?

Fair enough Trapped.

I have not been in every local church and Sons To Glory would argue the church in Scottsdale is one example. So I cannot say with 100% certainty worldwide. However, speaking from my own experience in those churches or localities that I have lived or visited I can say none.... for sure.

Why?

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Fair enough Trapped.

I have not been in every local church and Sons To Glory would argue the church in Scottsdale is one example. So I cannot say with 100% certainty worldwide. However, speaking from my own experience in those churches or localities that I have lived or visited I can say none.... for sure.

Why?

Drake

The church in Scottsdale was born out of Bill Freeman's excommunication by Lee.

Does the church in Scottsdale have any fellowship with the adjacent church in Phoenix? Can they come to your meetings and break bread? And vice versa?

If Phoenix and Scottsdale began to fellowship, would not Blendeds from HQ be sent to stop it?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The church in Scottsdale was born out of Bill Freeman's excommunication by Lee.

Does the church in Scottsdale have any fellowship with the adjacent church in Phoenix? Can they come to your meetings and break bread? And vice versa?

If Phoenix and Scottsdale began to fellowship, would not Blendeds from HQ be sent to stop it?

There is very limited interaction between Scottsdale and Phoenix . . . very limited. At least that's my impression. I went to a gathering there many years ago and I believe one or two leading bros here have some occasional contact, albeit I think very, very infrequently.

As far as taking the table in Scottsdale, if a person has been born again with the new life & nature of Christ, they are certainly welcome here to sup with us! (Therefore this certainly includes the saints who meet as the LC in Phoenix.) In fact, I do wish they would come fellowship and take the table with us! This would make my spirit joyful, just as when any new ones join us!

Not sure about the vice versa, but I hope so.

FYI - I plan to ask a brother at the Thursday brothers' breakfast about some things related to SC background, and some of these things we've been discussing.

("Until we all arrive at the unity of the faith . . . a full-grown man" Eph 4:13 In reality - in spirit - we are all one and that is just the fact. I believe one day soon the oneness may be manifested very quickly. The Lord can do this - change hearts & minds of saints instantly. We saw after 9/11 how fast all the divides came down in the secular world. If something major happened in the spiritual realm and we all got really serious with God, I believe Christians would drop all the silly things that separate us in a heartbeat.)

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The church in Scottsdale was born out of Bill Freeman's excommunication by Lee.

Does the church in Scottsdale have any fellowship with the adjacent church in Phoenix? Can they come to your meetings and break bread? And vice versa?

If Phoenix and Scottsdale began to fellowship, would not Blendeds from HQ be sent to stop it?

That last one is a very interesting question! So what's your thought Drake & Evangelical?

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Drake

The out of whack part is the ministry is for the churches NOT that a church dedicated to the writings of Witness Lee. So, not one but all of them that I know of or ever been a part of.

Drake

So all the churches in the “oneness” are dedicated to the work of Witness Lee, but for the churches - not for the sake of Witness Lee?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

So all the churches in the “oneness” are dedicated to the work of Witness Lee, but for the churches - not for the sake of Witness Lee?

That’s incoherent.

Not interested in unraveling your knotted logic.

Thanks
Drake

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Drake

That’s incoherent.

Not interested in unraveling your knotted logic.

Thanks
Drake

I know - I was trying to decipher your statement.

[Sons to Glory!]

OMG - I'm on a grade school playground!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

The out of whack part is the ministry is for the churches NOT that a church dedicated to the writings of Witness Lee.

Drake

This cutesy saying is designed to disarm the conscience of the saints. It has no more validity your saying that you become god.

Furthermore, the false and distorted "oneness" in the LCM is a guise of divisiveness. They use their ministry and claims of oneness to divide and destroy LC's.