LSM/Blended Brothers Take Over of Mansfield

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Drake

The elders appointed by Titus Chu and all the properties at Sinclair Rd.

So all of the elders signed the loan agreement? They used property as collateral that already had a lien against it or were the loans from the saints for something else? Did they finance through a bank?

You said they took out a high interest loan to pay off a low interest loan-then netted a little extra to send to a Titus Chu related fund? All for $10-$20 grand?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

So all of the elders signed the loan agreement? They used property as collateral that already had a lien against it or were the loans from the saints for something else? Did they finance through a bank?

You said they took out a high interest loan to pay off a low interest loan-then netted a little extra to send to a Titus Chu related fund? All for $10-$20 grand?

By 2005 there were a few remaining loans from the saints ... the amount above the loans borrowed was over $34k... also borrowed at the high variable interest rate loan from a bank. In the same year the elders diverted 37% of the offerings from the saints, or over $50k to Titus Chu’s projects.

Drake

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Drake

By 2005 there were a few remaining loans from the saints ... the amount above the loans borrowed was over $34k... also borrowed at the high variable interest rate loan from a bank. In the same year the elders diverted 37% of the offerings from the saints, or over $50k to Titus Chu’s projects.

Drake

What a shame. Why would all of these elders sign off on that for a measly $34k?

Maybe Ohio knows too, what was the cash position like at that time? The whole thing seems odd.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

What a shame. Why would all of these elders sign off on that for a measly $34k?

Maybe Ohio knows too, what was the cash position like at that time? The whole thing seems odd.

Here's the thing. Both in Mansfield and Columbus Titus Chu appointed elders who claimed for themselves " the authority" and all the saints had to obey them. Those who disagreed were told to meet somewhere else. Those who disagreed but refused to leave were excommunicated, locked out of the meeting hall, berated publicly in meetings, etc. Those that remained had to cough up some tithes, do what the elders tell them to do, and expect significant portion of their offering to go to Titus Chu’s work. Once the proxy elders controlled the finances there appeared to be no stopping them.

Some in this forum are fond of criticizing these believers for seeking help from the courts. They say "why not be wronged?" Or "its not christian! "... well, that is easy to say... as long as it is not YOUR house being taken away.Those obedience demanding elders should have been slapped down sooner. They hid their unscriptural heavy handedness behind erroneous teachings..". I'm the authority here now, you must do what I say, you must obey me".... well, apparently not.

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Here's the thing. Both in Mansfield and Columbus Titus Chu appointed elders who claimed for themselves " the authority" and all the saints had to obey them. Those who disagreed were told to meet somewhere else. Those who disagreed but refused to leave were excommunicated, locked out of the meeting hall, berated publicly in meetings, etc. Those that remained had to cough up some tithes, do what the elders tell them to do, and expect significant portion of their offering to go to Titus Chu’s work. Once the proxy elders controlled the finances there appeared to be no stopping them.

Some in this forum are fond of criticizing these believers for seeking help from the courts. They say "why not be wronged?" Or "its not christian! "... well, that is easy to say... as long as it is not YOUR house being taken away.Those obedience demanding elders should have been slapped down sooner. They hid their unscriptural heavy handedness behind erroneous teachings..". I'm the authority here now, you must do what I say, you must obey me".... well, apparently not.

Drake

It's not us who wrote I Corinthians 6, but since LSMers go by the Book of Lee, it's not in your Bible.

So hypocritical and deceptive that Drake mocks the elders appointed by TC. This forum is filled with Lee's appointment of "proxy" elders and church takeovers, but that's OK if LSM does it, huh Drake. In one post I listed a bunch of cities where this happened. Drake conveniently forgets that Lee fleeced the LCs for useless properties, tennis rackets, cheap suits, motor homes, acres of Expensive SoCal real estate.

TC used money to support workers and their families. To his credit, TC never had one scandal that damaged the Church, personal or otherwise. Compare that to all the financial boondoggles and molested sisters and victims of the Lee family.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's not us who wrote I Corinthians 6, but since LSMers go by the Book of Lee, it's not in your Bible.

Oh... let me look... nope, you’re wrong ... 1Corinthians 6.. right there between 5 & 7. A wonderful chapter. I wonder if you read it carefully before you go off on your reviling slanderous rants?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Oh... let me look... nope, you’re wrong ... 1Corinthians 6.. right there between 5 & 7. A wonderful chapter. I wonder if you read it carefully before you go off on your reviling slanderous rants?

No, Drake, the Book of Lee does not contain I Cor chapter 6. That's why you are known as the LawSuit Ministry.

Your motto is "In LawSuits We Trust." Rather, as I often heard, "In Caesar We Trust." You guys make the Pharisees look honest and forthright. Remember when they said, "we have no God but Caesar."

What other ministry on earth has their own in-house Legal Team called the Defense and Confirmation Project, ready and willing to strike their every enemy, including this forum.

Your last lawsuit against another publisher Heritage House, cost the saints $13,000,000.00 and was taken on endless appeals all the way to the SCOTUS. Fortunately those people had enough sense to put your appeal in the trash bin.

[A little brother]

Originally Posted by Drake

By 2005 there were a few remaining loans from the saints ... the amount above the loans borrowed was over $34k... also borrowed at the high variable interest rate loan from a bank. In the same year the elders diverted 37% of the offerings from the saints, or over $50k to Titus Chu’s projects.

Drake

What were TC's projects?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

By 2005 there were a few remaining loans from the saints ... the amount above the loans borrowed was over $34k... also borrowed at the high variable interest rate loan from a bank. In the same year the elders diverted 37% of the offerings from the saints, or over $50k to Titus Chu’s projects.

Drake

Huge mistake for the church to trust that user brother.

User brother used the church as his high interest Savings and Loan, holding the church hostage to his whims. He made far more return on his money than any bank would pay -- and no risk on his loan principal.

User brother brought much curse and damage to the church, all for his own personal gain and glory.

Hi Drake, are you "user" brother?