LSM/Blended Brothers Take Over of Mansfield

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

When did this happen , the date..... and who was David Etzel appointed by and when?

Facts. Put the facts on the table.

Drake

Originally Posted by Drake

Dates, where are the dates?

Dates? GPS Coordinates? Reporters? Atomic clock?

Rabbit Holes Indeed.

Check the links yourself.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Dates? GPS Coordinates? Reporters? Atomic clock?

Rabbit Holes Indeed.

Check the links yourself.

Simple questions if you know the answers.

What are the dates? and by whom and when was David Etzel appointed as elder in Mansfield?

If you know just answer... if not, you can keep running.

We want your facts... not your spin.

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Simple questions if you know the answers.

What are the dates? and by whom and when was David Etzel appointed as elder in Mansfield?

If you know just answer... if not, you can keep running.

We want your facts... not your spin.

Drake

You don't want facts. You never did. You only use facts to spin the truth.

But thanks for all the blow back. It enables the readers (lurkers) to see the thugs from the Lazy Swamp Ministry in action at some tiny rural church in Ohio while the health of their aged minister slowly deteriorated.

The Lazy Swamp thief comes to steal and kill and destroy, Jesus came that they might have life and may have it abundantly. (John 10.10)

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You don't want facts. You never did. You only use facts to spin the truth.

But thanks for all the blow back. It enables the readers (lurkers) to see the thugs from the Lazy Swamp Ministry in action at some tiny rural church in Ohio while the health of their aged minister slowly deteriorated.

The Lazy Swamp thief comes to steal and kill and destroy, Jesus came that they might have life and may have it abundantly. (John 10.10)

In other words, you don’t know the dates of the events, you don’t know when and who appointed David Etzel to the eldership in Mansfield, and you are clueless as to the publication date of those newspaper articles.

The only thing you know about Mansfield is what Norm and Suanne wrote in this forum. In other words, talking with you about Mansfield is a complete waste of time.

Got it.

Thanks
Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

In other words, you don’t know the dates of the events, you don’t know when and who appointed David Ethel to the eldership in Mansfield, and you are clueless as to the publication date of those newspaper articles.

The only thing you know about Mansfield is what Norm and Suanne wrote in this forum. In other words, talking with you about Mansfield is a complete waste of time.

Got it.

Thanks
Drake

Then what shall other posters consider about talking with you?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Then what shall other posters consider about talking with you?

People will think what they want to think. I am just happy to get facts on the table because for years you have strutted about this forum with all bluster about Mansfield and Columbus, a one stop shop for all knowledge about things Midwest, but once the facts are known it is apparent you only know what you read in this forum and are only interested in parroting Titus Chu talking points. For someone who claims to care about the little guy you sure have demonstrated a callous disregard for those who suffered at the heavy hands of proxy elders and the Detroit coworker in Mansfield with financial schemes to extract tithes in exchange for the right to partake of the Lords table and to subsequently divert those offerings to Titus Chus ministry.

Given an opportunity to list the facts about dates and people you reference you did what anyone who doesn’t know about things they purport to know... you punted!

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

People will think what they want to think. I am just happy to get facts on the table because for years you have strutted about this forum with all bluster about Mansfield and Columbus, a one stop shop for all knowledge about things Midwest, but once the facts are known it is apparent you only know what you read in this forum and are only interested in parroting Titus Chu talking points. For someone who claims to care about the little guy you sure have demonstrated a callous disregard for those who suffered at the heavy hands of proxy elders and the Detroit coworker in Mansfield with financial schemes to extract tithes in exchange for the right to partake of the Lords table and to subsequently divert those offerings to Titus Chus ministry.

Given an opportunity to list the facts about dates and people you reference you did what anyone who doesn’t know about things they purport to know... you punted!

Drake

I only know what I read on this forum???

I lived and served in the Midwest Church life for 30 years. I know these people personally. Back in 1976 I helped to build Mansfield's meeting hall. Been there many times since then.

You, however, only know Benson Philip's one page talking points. Only you believe what you have written here, and they truly are not believable.

[Sons to Glory!]

This is a lot like watching the Republicans & Democrats. (It also brings to mind a little of the original Star Trek episode where two fellows were eternally fighting. The reason? One was black on the left side and the other was black on the right.)



I read (and reread a few times) a fascinating book by secular author Thomas Sowell called, "A Conflict of Visions." In it he discusses how two parties can have such a fundamentally different vision of everything that it influences how they see everything. This results in the meaning of words changing to them and therefore their vocabulary. This then makes it very difficult to hold a simple discussion with someone who holds the other vision. This vision makes how they see things and the words they use to be almost incomprehensible to someone of the other vision. Unfortunately, this often makes one accuse the other of various things (including hypocrisy), which is at its core, just a difference in the fundamental vision. When one accuses the other, both just dig deeper into their defense of their particular vision, and accuse the other of subterfuge, dishonesty and less than honorable motives.

More talking in this way frequently just results in even less understanding, as both parties start talking past each other completely. Listening with empathy (understanding) goes to zero. You see this very much in American politics today, and also here I think . . .

(How do I stop getting notifications on new postings to this thread? It's too much like watching a train wreck in slow motion.) NEVER MIND. I FIGURED IT OUT.

[Ohio]

Here's a concluding post by Norm. Last I heard he lives in Mansfield.

This will be a final posting related to the lawsuit in Mansfield.

1. After the non-LSM side signed over all assets to the LSM-view side, the lawyers for the LSM-view side wanted to investigate if the non-LSM had placed any of the funds they offered to fight the lawsuit in an account using “the church in Mansfield” name. If so, they wanted those funds reimbursed and turned over to their clients. The non-LSM side lawyers told them to get lost (my wording). The non-LSM side had been smarter than that from the beginning.

2. When the LSM-view side tried to get all the signatures of their supposed members one wife refused to sign. She basically stated that she had never been a member and had been tricked into signing the original lawsuit. The judge had to waive her signature. He had to now know he had been duped by the LSM-view side. Just one refusing and speaking out shows they lied and cheated.

3. The number on the LSM-view side has greatly reduced in their meetings, at least by 50% if not 60% from the number on their original document filed in the court. A large percentage of their membership list was false. Only one of the five new trustees is regular in all the church functions.

4. The final settlement document does contain the signatures of Benson Phillips and Tim Knoppe, permanently linking them to this lawsuit. I wonder why Benson did not refuse to sign and then advise the LSM-view saints to back out of the whole matter.

[Ohio]

Here's a testimony posted by a long time Mansfield sister Suannehill ...

Upon arriving home from Dwight's funeral I find myself with mixed emotions...

The brothers who shared were honest and loving in their testimonies...however...

His wife had requested that due to the large number of people that only seven people speak and she named the seven. This was announced as such and those seven did a touching tribute to our brother...however...

As soon as the final prayer was said...one of the new elders from the LSM side stood to speak...my husband and I stood up and left.

Do the LSMers have no respect at all? It was made clear the families' wishes...yet here they go...they MUST have the last word!

Isn't it enough that they stole 40 years worth of labor from the man? Must they inject themselves into his funeral too? It was the most blatant disrespect I've ever seen at a funeral.

Pardon me, but I am still so bothered within.

This was how every Lord's Table was ruined...the LSMers could not contain themselves!!!!

Dwight built meeting halls all over the Midwest, gave himself to repair and remodel wherever needed. I can't begin to tell you how hard he labored spiritually and physically. He designed and built the Mansfield Meeting Place that is now occupied by LSMers. There is no shame or conscience on their part. The building he built from scratch cannot be used for his funeral dinner.

My husband and I just keep looking at each other and saying how bothered we still are by this. It will go away, but I think of his wife and how betrayed she must feel by ALL of this. We remember her and the rest of his family before the Lord.

Sue