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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Right. Trump, by meeting with him, legitimized Kim Jong-un , one of the worst violators of human rights in the world today. Nice work, dotard.

When Trump took office Obama told him that North Korea would be his biggest concern. NK began testing intercontinental ballistic missiles that could hit the US and large nuclear warheads. It was the closest we have been to a nuclear confrontation in years.

Now, a few months later NK attended the Olympics in SK, went to the summit, and have pledged in principal to denuclearize.

We have not insulted him, instead we are giving him the carrot of billions of dollars of investments flowing into the country for development projects. Any unbiased assessment would conclude that the situation with North Korea has improved dramatically, more than in the past 20-30 years.

Doesn't mean it will last, but it is a good first step towards improving relations.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

When Trump took office Obama told him that North Korea would be his biggest concern. NK began testing intercontinental ballistic missiles that could hit the US and large nuclear warheads. It was the closest we have been to a nuclear confrontation in years.

Now, a few months later NK attended the Olympics in SK, went to the summit, and have pledged in principal to denuclearize.

We have not insulted him, instead we are giving him the carrot of billions of dollars of investments flowing into the country for development projects. Any unbiased assessment would conclude that the situation with North Korea has improved dramatically, more than in the past 20-30 years.

Doesn't mean it will last, but it is a good first step towards improving relations.

Talking is usually better than dropping bombs on each other. On the other hand making concessions unilaterally is a sign of weakness. Legitimating a cruel dictator based on vague promises is a recipe for failure. Reagan pursued peace through strength. Trump is pursuing peace through flattery. But then Reagan was a man of principles and Trump is a man of deceit. A bad tree can't bear good fruit. [Matt. 7:18]

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Talking is usually better than dropping bombs on each other. On the other hand making concessions unilaterally is a sign of weakness. Legitimating a cruel dictator based on vague promises is a recipe for failure. Reagan pursued peace through strength. Trump is pursuing peace through flattery. But then Reagan was a man of principles and Trump is a man of deceit. A bad tree can't bear good fruit. [Matt. 7:18]

Not so. The same progressive media that today condemns Trump also condemned an "unprincipled" Ronald Reagan using all the same condemnations.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Not so. The same progressive media that today condemns Trump also condemned an "unprincipled" Ronald Reagan using all the same condemnations.

Nonsense.The media lauded Reagan as the great communicator. You're just looking at things in all or nothing terms again. Everything to you is either black or white there is no grays.

You were in the local church during the Reagan years. The local church thinks the only good people are in the local church. (They're not intrinsically good either but they have the spirit.) Everybody else is evil. The media is evil; politicians are evil, etc ad nauseum. If Donald Trump is evil he's no different than anyone else especially any politician. Good can only come when God the Puppet Master is pulling a person's strings like the evangelicals think God is doing to Trump now. Trump is acting out God's eternal purpose by bringing Armageddon. Tell me where I'm wrong.

[awareness]

This may be good news. Franklin might be coming to his senses :

Franklin Graham criticizes Trump policy of separating families at border
http://thehill.com/homenews/392104-f...lies-at-border

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

This may be good news. Franklin might be coming to his senses :

Franklin Graham criticizes Trump policy of separating families at border
http://thehill.com/homenews/392104-f...lies-at-border

Franklin Graham is not an evangelist like his father, but a political figure.

He condemn the politicians of the last 30 years for these failures -- all of which promised border security, but delivered nothing.

It's a farce to watch lefties demonstrate fake concern for these immigrants, when all they really want is more votes.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Franklin Graham is not an evangelist like his father, but a political figure.

He condemns the politicians of the last 30 years for these failures -- all of which promised border security, but delivered nothing.

It's a farce to watch lefties demonstrate fake concern for these immigrants, when all they really want is more votes.

Right. Graham is a political actor. He's a white nationalist like Trump. "Blame the Libtards." Trump is using a policy of cruelty toward children and families to force Congress to act. He's cunning and he has no scuples about hurting people to get his way.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Franklin Graham is not an evangelist like his father, but a political figure.

He condemn the politicians of the last 30 years for these failures -- all of which promised border security, but delivered nothing.

It's a farce to watch lefties demonstrate fake concern for these immigrants, when all they really want is more votes.

Oh c'mon bro Ohio. Do you have children? No parent can have no sympathy with children being separated from their mother and father. That empathy has nothing to do with liberalism, or voters.

Why do you need these straw men?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Nonsense.The media lauded Reagan as the great communicator. You're just looking at things in all or nothing terms again. Everything to you is either black or white there is no grays.

You were in the local church during the Reagan years. The local church thinks the only good people are in the local church. (They're not intrinsically good either but they have the spirit.) Everybody else is evil. The media is evil; politicians are evil, etc ad nauseum. If Donald Trump is evil he's no different than anyone else especially any politician. Good can only come when God the Puppet Master is pulling a person's strings like the evangelicals think God is doing to Trump now. Trump is acting out God's eternal purpose by bringing Armageddon. Tell me where I'm wrong.

So many stereotypes and blatant errors in your comments, there is almost no place to begin. Your recollection of history needs some anti-dementia pills, perhaps Prevagen could help.

Concerning Pres. Reagan, here is just the first hit on my searcher ...

What They Said Then: How the Liberal Media Savaged Reagan

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

So many stereotypes and blatant errors in your comments, there is almost no place to begin. Your recollection of history needs some anti-dementia pills, perhaps Prevagen could help.

Concerning Pres. Reagan, here is just the first hit on my searcher ...

What They Said Then: How the Liberal Media Savaged Reagan

No right wing bias on that website.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

No right wing bias on that website.

That's your answer? I soundly refute your statements, filled with videos and recorded statements from notable media figures, and you dismiss it as bias.

It's all a game with you.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Talking is usually better than dropping bombs on each other. On the other hand making concessions unilaterally is a sign of weakness.

I think that is not fair, before even coming to the summit NK blew up testing facilities and made some concessions. Now it was our turn. Canceling war games seems like a very pleasant concession, we don't reduce our military strength and we can immediately resume them should things get worse, but if you are not on the verge of war why do you need these dress rehearsals?

Originally Posted by zeek

Legitimating a cruel dictator based on vague promises is a recipe for failure. Reagan pursued peace through strength. Trump is pursuing peace through flattery. But then Reagan was a man of principles and Trump is a man of deceit. A bad tree can't bear good fruit. [Matt. 7:18]

Again, this may or may not be true. No one came out and gave Kim the nobel peace prize, no one has claimed he hasn't committed human rights violations. But Saudi Arabia has, Kuwait has, Russia, China, etc. If you demand that we have a sinless leader before the US will talk to them that is an absurd position to take. Our biggest concern cannot be that he killed his brother, but rather that he might fire a nuclear missile. Signing an agreement to de nuclearize as a goal is obviously the first step.

We did not lift any sanctions, instead we said we would begin the process. This allows us to say "in exchange for lifting this we need you to do that".

There is a key principle in negotiating when you hit an impasse like we did with North Korea, it is not tit for tat, but rather give them two things for one thing. That will often get the reconciliation resumed.

[zeek]

BREAKING NEWS
New York is suing the Trump foundation, accusing it of vast lawbreaking. It wants to bar the president and his children from serving on charities.

The New York State attorney general’s office filed a scathingly worded lawsuit on Thursday taking aim at the Donald J. Trump Foundation, accusing the charity and the Trump family of sweeping violations of campaign finance laws, self-dealing and illegal coordination with the presidential campaign.

The lawsuit, which seeks to dissolve the foundation and bar President Trump and three of his children from serving on the boards of nonprofits, was an extraordinary rebuke of a sitting president.

The State of New York is doing the work of Congress which should be in the process of impeaching Trump on these grounds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.105ce95832d6

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

The State of New York is doing the work of Congress which should be in the process of impeaching Trump on these grounds.

Didn't that NY Atty General resign after being exposed for sexual assault?

How is this not progressive bias?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Didn't that NY Atty General resign after being exposed for sexual assault?

How is this not progressive bias?

How is using a charitable Foundation to finance your election campaign not corrupt? I don't care what you call it progressive or conservative it's wrong.

[Ohio]

Muller throws Manafort in prison, revoking bail, to divert attention from the Dept. of Justice Inspector General's report released yesterday.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

How is using a charitable Foundation to finance your election campaign not corrupt? I don't care what you call it progressive or conservative it's wrong.

I totally agree.

That's what the Clinton Foundation was established for, soliciting big money from around the globe for future favors.

Thanks for agreeing with me.