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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Sorry Ohio, no changing the argument. You accused me of defending Philip Lee. It doesn’t matter whether you think his sin was great or small. You said I defended him.

Drake, you have defended Philip Lee. Do you understand what it means to be an accomplice to a crime?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Drake, you have defended Philip Lee. Do you understand what it means to be an accomplice to a crime?

Provide the quote where I defended Philip Lee.

You can’t. It doesn’t exist. You know that else you would have plastered it all over already.

Now you are trying to change the argument to some convoluted “accomplice to a crime”..

One quote defending Philip Lee. Let’s see it.No more delays. Post it now.

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Provide the quote where I defended Philip Lee.

You can’t. It doesn’t exist. You know that else you would have plastered it all over already.

Now you are trying to change the argument to some convoluted “accomplice to a crime”..

One quote defending Philip Lee. Let’s see it. No more delays. Post it now.

Drake

There you go again! Changing the subject and the context to suit you.

I have long said that you are complicit in the coverup of Philip's sins by your extended relationship with LSM.

You distort this into demanding to see a post where you said so yourself on this forum. Obviously you would not do that. Nobody in their right mind would. "You have the right to remain silent ... "

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There you go again! Changing the subject and the context to suit you.

I have long said that you are complicit in the coverup of Philip's sins by your extended relationship with LSM.

You distort this into demanding to see a post where you said so yourself on this forum. Obviously you would not do that. Nobody in their right mind would. "You have the right to remain silent ... "

No. You are reframing your accusation.

You said I defended Philip Lee. Stop twisting the argument. You were specific so be specific in your proof. I don’t need to remain silent. I have been clear. You know that. You are engaging in the button pushing that has created a toxic environment.

Drake

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Drake

You are engaging in the button pushing that has created a toxic environment.

You got it backwards my friend. If you find the atmosphere here toxic, it is only because of the subject matter that is discussed - the teachings, practices and history of the Local Church of Witness Lee - is extremely toxic.

For many former members, the atmosphere in the Local Church became toxic in several ways. For some it became spiritually toxic. For others it became psychologically toxic. For some, especially for a number of women/sisters, it even became physically toxic. For some poor souls, they have experienced catastrophic damage in all of these areas.

One of the reasons this forum was initiated was to give these precious, yet broken and damaged, brothers and sisters a voice. As one of these broken and damaged ones, I realize that our "voice" sometimes expresses itself in a way that some may take as the expression of a "bitter" or "complaining" spirit. All I could tell anyone offended or concerned about this is that they might want to consider what kind of toxic atmosphere we came out of. Also, they may want to take into account the concerns that many of us have for those precious brothers and sisters that remain in that toxic atmosphere.
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[Drake]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

You got it backwards my friend. If you find the atmosphere here toxic, it is only because of the subject matter that is discussed - the teachings, practices and history of the Local Church of Witness Lee - is extremely toxic.

For many former members, the atmosphere in the Local Church became toxic in several ways. For some it became spiritually toxic. For others it became psychologically toxic. For some, especially for a number of women/sisters, it even became physically toxic. For some poor souls, they have experienced catastrophic damage in all of these areas.

One of the reasons this forum was initiated was to give these precious, yet broken and damaged, brothers and sisters a voice. As one of these broken and damaged ones, I realize that our "voice" sometimes expresses itself in a way that some may take as the expression of a "bitter" or "complaining" spirit. All I could tell anyone offended or concerned about this is that they might want to consider what kind of toxic atmosphere we came out of. Also, they may want to take into account the concerns that many of us have for those precious brothers and sisters that remain in that toxic atmosphere.
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UntoHim,

I appreciate this response from you. I recognize the difficulty and have said many times that under the same circumstances I do not know how it would have affected me.

However, no matter how a person may have been impacted, it does not entitle them to behave anyway they like in this forum. They cannot run roughshod over others. That is the issue here. One poster in this forum knowingly and willfully accused another of doing something that he knew was not true. Rather than seek to correct his accusation after repeated objections he doubles down and twists the accusation into something else. That creates an environment where rational conversation is out the door. That is toxic. If you think it was toxic in the local churches then everything should be done to set the example here. I hear this moral equivalency argument in here quite often. It reads as an excuse for vengeance and casting off all restraint. Current members then become the object of anger and bitterness.

I am not advocating holding hands and singing kumbaya. I am advocating to disagree on the facts or present ones own view without misrepresenting another brothers viewpoint and then insist on the misrepresentation post after post. It is especially disturbing to me when the misrepresentation is masked with Gods Word. No lover of a God should use His words to mask falsehood and contention.

But look, it’s your forum. If you do not think Drake or others have a place here then I will leave. However, if I stay I will not allow Ohio to define what I believe or redefine what I said.

Thanks
Drake