Now's good - byHismercy

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Jo S, I can't tell if you are a brother or sister by your name, but if a brother then perhaps she suddenly realized that she needed "distance" from a brother. I can't second guess her thoughts.

Let me tell you my own experience. After 15 years in the program, I concluded that the only person totally safe to trust was Witness Lee. I had seen and heard enough by then not to trust any man completely, but was always taught in so many words that Witness Lee was the only completely faithful Christian on the whole earth today. I was not alone in that conclusion.

Now what does that tell you?

I probably should've been more clear. Things weren't like what I described until after I left the fold. That's why I found her reaction so strange. I thought maybe it had something to do with how LC'er are taught to act toward outsiders in the trainings they attend.

[aron]

Let me restate my point: suppose I was a Bible expositor and over the course of 20-odd years I gave several thousand speeches in front of hundreds of people at a time. And never in al those years did anyone ever say, "Brother Aron, maybe your logic is off, here." Not once.

Now, do you think that this is an environment conducive to the exercise of human thought, or one that rather suppresses thought? I'd say, clearly the latter.

Contrast that to Ravi Zacharias who actually welcomes independent human thought.

The LC version of "good order in the church" is not divine - it is culturally-derived.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by aron

The LC version of "good order in the church" is not divine - it is culturally-derived.

Can't it be both?

For example, the crab cakes and pot stickers are both culturally derived and divine.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

the crab cakes and pot stickers are both culturally derived and divine.

You put out spiritual terms like "gaining Christ" and "walking in spirit" then dismiss cultural imperialism with a flippant remark. I can just see them all, coming in the door, to "gain your Christ".

Yes, it's uncomfortable, often, to try to think. We live in a confusing swirl of inputs, and our responses are often not as stable as we'd wish. But there it is. It's preferable to having Big Brother do our thinking for us.

The goal is clarity - to dwell in the light. That involves the mind as well as the heart.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by aron

You put out spiritual terms like "gaining Christ" and "walking in spirit" then dismiss cultural imperialism with a flippant remark. I can just see them all, coming in the door, to "gain your Christ".

Yes, it's uncomfortable, often, to try to think. We live in a confusing swirl of inputs, and our responses are often not as stable as we'd wish. But there it is. It's preferable to having Big Brother do our thinking for us.

The goal is clarity - to dwell in the light. That involves the mind as well as the heart.

You sound like an idiot. That's what my mind is saying right now.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

You sound like an idiot. That's what my mind is saying right now.

Didn't Drake teach you what Ad Hominem attacks are?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Didn't Drake teach you what Ad Hominem attacks are?

I'm demonstrating why it's important to get out of our mind and into the spirit. Foolishness comes from the mind, so turn to the spirit is the way.