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[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Drake

Anyone can say that about anyone else they disagree with. It doesn’t rise to the level of a weak argument. It’s a fallacy in argument. To prove it applies you would need to argue on the substance. Have a go.

Drake

Ok, I'll try.

Rom.16:17
Now I urge you brethren ( the Lord is addressing His followers)

Mark those who cause divisions (the Local Church divides over our willingness to receive Lees erroneous teaching, or not, or ones ability to be sold out for Lees error)

And hindrances contrary to the doctrine which you learned( contradictions to Gods word abounds in Lee doctrine, and LC practice of shunning christians outside the bounds of scripturally supported divisions)

And turn away from them. (I do.)

[Drake]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Ok, I'll try.

Rom.16:17
Now I urge you brethren ( the Lord is addressing His followers)

Mark those who cause divisions (the Local Church divides over our willingness to receive Lees erroneous teaching, or not, or ones ability to be sold out for Lees error)

And hindrances contrary to the doctrine which you learned( contradictions to Gods word abounds in Lee doctrine, and LC practice of shunning christians outside the bounds of scripturally supported divisions)

And turn away from them. (I do.)

InHismercy,

You have an opinion that you mistakenly believe is supported by scripture.

Anyone can do that. Allow me to illustrate by following your example.
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Rom.16:17
Now I urge you brethren ( the Lord is addressing His followers)

Mark those who cause divisions (inHismercy divides over our experience of Christ facilitated through a ministry of life and she calls for those who have grown closer to the Lord thereby to treat that ministry as dung)

And hindrances contrary to the doctrine which you learned( contradictions to Gods word abound in InHismercy’s doctrine, claiming erroneously that the Lord cast Satan out of people while denying in the same breath the clear teaching of Paul concerning the Satanic nature of sin in the flesh. Furthermore, she enthusiastically engages in ridiculing christians who embrace the scriptural call for all Christians to be one with each other, and instead she promotes unholy divisions among Christians by demanding they take their experience of Christ and “flush it down” inappropriately invoking the image of a toilet whereby the contents are the precious experiences of Christ)

And turn away from them. (And for those reasons I do and so should any genuine believer who desires purity of thought concerning the things of our Lord)

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That is an opinion based on things you said but the points haven’t been presented as a compelling argument. That is what I mean by anyone can do that.

Thanks
Drake

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Drake

InHismercy,

You have an opinion that you mistakenly believe is supported by scripture.

Anyone can do that. Allow me to illustrate by following your example.
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Rom.16:17
Now I urge you brethren ( the Lord is addressing His followers)

Mark those who cause divisions (inHismercy divides over our experience of Christ facilitated through a ministry of life and she calls for those who have grown closer to the Lord thereby to treat that ministry as dung)

And hindrances contrary to the doctrine which you learned( contradictions to Gods word abound in InHismercy’s doctrine, claiming erroneously that the Lord cast Satan out of people while denying in the same breath the clear teaching of Paul concerning the Satanic nature of sin in the flesh. Furthermore, she enthusiastically engages in ridiculing christians who embrace the scriptural call for all Christians to be one with each other, and instead she promotes unholy divisions among Christians by demanding they take their experience of Christ and “flush it down” inappropriately invoking the image of a toilet whereby the contents are the precious experiences of Christ)

And turn away from them. (And for those reasons I do and so should any genuine believer who desires purity of thought concerning the things of our Lord)

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That is an opinion based on things you said but the points haven’t been presented as a compelling argument. That is what I mean by anyone can do that.

Thanks
Drake

Drake, you are lying on me...quite one with Satan there, are you? I NEVER said what you accuse me of....such visciousness is so rare in a regenerated believer...you are putting lying false words in my mouth to prove a point about my argument being invalid? Just so we are clear....you just made these things up as an example of error....not to wound me, right?

You are a liar, and you did change my mind about your personal allegiance to Satan. So you win. Happy now? I am convinced Satan is your father. Consider yourself marked.

[byHismercy]

Also, I just want to say here, that the Bible is the living and operative word of God in those of us who believe! Th Holy Spirit is witnessed by my spirit, and I am equipped to take Gods word in and be taught, corrected, instructed in righteous...Gods word is sufficient for us because Jesus is the Living word of God....

The LC is clouds without water and clanging symbol...erroneous doctrine without the love of God....I think anyone who reads this conversation is going to be able to see right through them...and I hope some may be spared their own journey into, then invariably back out of, this church of Witness Lee.

Saints, praise Jesus...darkness cannot be where the light of God is.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Drake, you are lying on me...quite one with Satan there, are you? I NEVER said what you accuse me of....such visciousness is so rare in a regenerated believer...you are putting lying false words in my mouth to prove a point about my argument being invalid? Just so we are clear....you just made these things up as an example of error....not to wound me, right?

You are a liar, and you did change my mind about your personal allegiance to Satan. So you win. Happy now? I am convinced Satan is your father. Consider yourself marked.

ByHisMercy, here we have another example of why Romans 16.17 is needed -- even here on this forum. Drake has become a seasoned wordsmith -- no different from the lawyers and scribes in Jerusalem which regularly opposed the Lord Jesus -- twisting and manipulating your own words against you. He needs to be "marked" for his actions.

I have witnessed this deception coming out of LSM my entire adult life, yet it took an actual quarantine in Midwest LC's I once lived in, before my eyes were opened to their abuses. Then I began to realize that it is LSM who is most guilty of what they accuse the rest of the church of. (See Paul's rebuke in Romans 2.1)

[Evangelical]

"But, I will never be able to get past the fact that Gods word NEVER tells us "sin is Satan in virtual personification in our flesh." ~ byHismercy

God's word never tells us that Satan is Lucifer... so I hope you are consistent in your beliefs by only believing what God's word actually says, literally, factually, absolutely, and not entertaining ANY opinions of man including the often-held opinion that Satan is Lucifer.

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

God's word never tells us that Satan is Lucifer... so I hope you are consistent in your beliefs by only believing what God's word actually says, literally, factually, absolutely, and not entertaining ANY opinions of man including the often-held opinion that Satan is Lucifer.

Do you personally believe Lucifer fell and became Satan?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Jo S

Do you personally believe Lucifer fell and became Satan?

Yes, but it's hard for me to use the Bible alone to prove that for someone who doesn't see the implied relationship between Lucifer and Satan.

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

"But, I will never be able to get past the fact that Gods word NEVER tells us "sin is Satan in virtual personification in our flesh." ~ byHismercy

God's word never tells us that Satan is Lucifer... so I hope you are consistent in your beliefs by only believing what God's word actually says, literally, factually, absolutely, and not entertaining ANY opinions of man including the often-held opinion that Satan is Lucifer.

Hi Evangelical,
I've never studied Gods word searching for the relationship or lack thereof between Satan and Lucifer.
However, whatever the Lord spoke into His eternal word can be taken to the bank. I would need to search scripture to have a conversation with you on this matter.

I only know that, from lots of experience watching loved ones get deceived, that to dispute the Lords word leads one down a dark and confusing path.

For example, my mom....she is a professing christian....who argues Gods word on the matter of receiving the Holy Spirit, praying unceasingly, and the whole book of Hebrews....same person who wouldn't stop chanting the Devils number....and who manifested a demon before my eyes when I asked her to stop...same "christian" who cannot speak the name of the Lord Jesus, nor pray with me.

God has put many such people in my life and I have become really familiar with spiritual warfare. Deviating from Gods word never takes people to the truth.

Incidentally, that same spirit that twists my words into lies, and then denies doing such...I know that spirit. That particular tool Drake employed was just like having a conversation with my poor mom....a lost soul.

I pray God has mercy on us all...

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

ByHisMercy, here we have another example of why Romans 16.17 is needed -- even here on this forum. Drake has become a seasoned wordsmith -- no different from the lawyers and scribes in Jerusalem which regularly opposed the Lord Jesus -- twisting and manipulating your own words against you. He needs to be "marked" for his actions.

I have witnessed this deception coming out of LSM my entire adult life, yet it took an actual quarantine in Midwest LC's I once lived in, before my eyes were opened to their abuses. Then I began to realize that it is LSM who is most guilty of what they accuse the rest of the church of. (See Paul's rebuke in Romans 2.1)

It is very ironic, Ohio, that the unrighteous dividing of the saints by the Lee church is what caused me to flee from it, and my desire to see there is actually one body of Christ...this is what Drake accuses me of, oh wait, he didn't? Rom. 2:30...inventors of evil things.

My stance, and my argument in support of it, will never be enough...perhaps there is no high peak revelation, no crystallization of....my speaking is not intelligent enough, informed enough, coherent enough, cohesive enough for Drake. But the truth is, I am here for the fellowship of those who have left the LC and its' unrighteous practices, and can see through the deception. Thank you Ohio and all the rest of you who cannot tolerate the wickedness...you are why I am here. And I believe the Lord Jesus will use this forum to lead His people away from the lies of WL and the LC. Psalms 113:3....from the rising of the sun to its setting, the name of the Lord is to be praised. My 9 year old gave me this verse today.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Drake, you are lying on me...quite one with Satan there, are you? I NEVER said what you accuse me of....such visciousness is so rare in a regenerated believer...you are putting lying false words in my mouth to prove a point about my argument being invalid? Just so we are clear....you just made these things up as an example of error....not to wound me, right?

You are a liar, and you did change my mind about your personal allegiance to Satan. So you win. Happy now? I am convinced Satan is your father. Consider yourself marked.

InHismercy,

Wound you? Heavens no. No desire to do that.

Please don’t take offense. I said right up front it would be an illustration of an opinion but not an argument. Like for iike. Method for method. End to end. An opinion based on statements you made, applying those words to scripture, and making charges against believers as a call to action to shun them. Anyone can do that .... as you did. And so did I.

I did not make your actual characterization up... “dung”, “flush it down”. I did not pick a verse out of thin air, it was your selection, ... and your call to action was to divide Christians from a ministry and a group of believers where they currently are. Essentially to follow you out. That was the illustrating part. Nevertheless, one could, without much effort, form a similar opinion about you and what you think just based on your short time here. When I read your posts I see those elements present else I would not have used them to illustrate. . However, you will object that my op-ed was a lie and that you never meant those things that way. Okay, but an opinion is just that, an opinion, and difficult to argue against unless it is outrageous or ridiculous.

That is why I challenged you to make a compelling argument. Ohio made an argument about the Romans verse but it was mostly anecdotal. More often than not that is the best we achieve here. Opinions and anecdotal arguments. Not always but mostly. Scriptural arguments based on actual teachings are rare. Post #188 is a another example of opinion not argument formulated in the same pattern as my illustration.

But please, don’t take offense. With you, I was demonstrating the difference between an opinion and an argument using your owns terminology and methods.

Drake