Deceptions on Campus

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

The only group which represents the local church as a whole is Christians on campus. For this reason it is valid for them to be named as simply Christians. The moment the name "evangelical" or "Witness Lee" is added to the name, it becomes a denominational group.

In the minds of the local church members, there is no such thing as "the church of Witness Lee", or "the Local Church" (in capital letters), and "Living Stream Ministry" is the ministry and not the church. So by not naming the group as anything other than "Christians on campus" they are being true to their beliefs and therefore the claims of deception are unfounded. I do not believe that the local church members believe themselves to be part of a denomination called "the church of Witness Lee". For this reason you cannot claim deception.

If you pray to dead human beings like Mary or some apostles....then they are your idols.

If you pray to a wooden statue of long dead Buddah, then that is your idol.

If you divide from the body of Christ for not receiving Witness Lee as the oracle of god, the minister of the age, the apostle of the age, the one ministry.....then Witness Lee and Living Stream Ministry is your idol...whether or not you practice transparency and "name" your group after WL or not.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

If you pray to dead human beings like Mary or some apostles....then they are your idols.

If you pray to a wooden statue of long dead Buddah, then that is your idol.

If you divide from the body of Christ for not receiving Witness Lee as the oracle of god, the minister of the age, the apostle of the age, the one ministry.....then Witness Lee and Living Stream Ministry is your idol...whether or not you practice transparency and "name" your group after WL or not.

Only if you can point me to the body of Christ and say "there is the body" and show me that this is the body of Christ we are divided from, can you really say that. So which denomination or denominations exactly are you going to point me to? If you are unable to point me to the body of Christ, then I'm afraid you cannot claim we are divided from it. The Catholics could tell me clearly, "we are the mystical body of Christ, and these protestants are sects as they have divided from us". What can you say?

Practically speaking, the "body of Christ" you refer to is a plurality of denominations, and has been split into Protestant/Catholic etc for quite some time. So, I don't really know what you mean by "dividing from the body", when the body you speak of is already fractured. I think you mean "dividing from the conglomeration of denominations (minus Catholics) that we think is the body of Christ". If this is the case, then a believer "divides the body" every time they choose to attend one denomination over another because of their preference, likes/dislikes etc. And spiritually speaking, I think as long as we are believers, we cannot be divided from the body of Christ.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Practically speaking, the "body of Christ" you refer to is a plurality of denominations, and has been split into Protestant/Catholic etc for quite some time. .

This is a Euro-centric view. In actuality the "body" first split in the fourth century (Chalcedon), then in the eleventh century (Great Schism) then in the sixteenth century (Protestant/Catholic), then innumerable Protestant splinterings since then. Including splinters that claim to be the restored church. Google "true church" and you'll see how many besides Nee/Lee et all claim to be God's legitimate ("Proper" in LC parlance) collective representatives on earth today.

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Only if you can point me to the body of Christ and say "there is the body" and show me that this is the body of Christ we are divided from, can you really say that. So which denomination or denominations exactly are you going to point me to? If you are unable to point me to the body of Christ, then I'm afraid you cannot claim we are divided from it. The Catholics could tell me clearly, "we are the mystical body of Christ, and these protestants are sects as they have divided from us". What can you say?

Practically speaking, the "body of Christ" you refer to is a plurality of denominations, and has been split into Protestant/Catholic etc for quite some time. So, I don't really know what you mean by "dividing from the body", when the body you speak of is already fractured. I think you mean "dividing from the conglomeration of denominations (minus Catholics) that we think is the body of Christ". If this is the case, then a believer "divides the body" every time they choose to attend one denomination over another because of their preference, likes/dislikes etc. And spiritually speaking, I think as long as we are believers, we cannot be divided from the body of Christ.

Hi Evangelical,
I don't view the body of our Lord as this or that denomination. Neither does He. Remember, neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor master, male nor female.... Myself and my family were practically divided from the body by the Local Church nearest us. We were quarantined, shunned, disconnected, dropped, muted, by people we loved very much, people who had spent years ingratiating themselves to my young children. This practice of excommunicating true believers, born again, Spirit regenerated christians is the division I speak of. This is the LC way....tried and true. We are not the first and we won't be the last ones to be on the receiving end of such cruel behavior. I tried for months to reconcile with our friends, while the true reasons behind their disconnection were hidden from me. The truth is, if I had ever known about this groups true beliefs, their habits of quarantining christians, I would never have been inside at all. They hide what they do...the incredibly unchristian, cold hearted practices, unless you are completely sold out for the ministry. We were deceived by this group. In the end we were just left damaged and broken hearted. I am talking about 3 precious kids who love Jesus all under the age of 12. It was the very strange shunning that caused me to look for answers online....where I find, what? This is standard procedure for the Leeites.

This is the unjustified division I am talking about. My story matches everyone elses. In fact, they refuse to speak to us. Even if I reach out to them, they refuse any contact. In fact, I'm pretty sure you are not allowed to be speaking to me either, so you better watch out! Don't let them catch you at it!

Seriously, though, Evangelical....come out of her. It is no place for true christians....no place for you if you love the Lord Jesus, and want to continue in His word, as His disciple....get out before they inflict damage on you or your family, if any of them are in.

[byHismercy]

Also, I am sorry that last post didn't necessarily address your thread topic, cleversister. I am having trouble staying focused! If it helps any, I was initially deceived by the LC on my college campus down in S. CA where I was attending not very far from the LSM office on Ball Rd, Anaheim. I was not brought into CoC but rather by the full time trainees serving on my campus....and so it began...