First Post kumbaya

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by kumbaya

I don't agree. There is no "government"- just the body. The feeling of the Body of Christ should be listened to and seriously considered in most, if not every, situation. We're all members of the Body- so why are we following a few men's decisions instead of Christ in us? What is the harm at all in taking a vote? If anything, I feel if you gave people a chance the pray about it- the majority decision would be an even clearer one- right?

There is an administration in the church by a plurality of elders/shepherds and deacons. Never is one man exalted above the others, except for Jesus Christ.

[kumbaya]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There is an administration in the church by a plurality of elders/shepherds and deacons. Never is one man exalted above the others, except for Jesus Christ.

I understand- I would just think they would take the members feelings into consideration when making decisions.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by kumbaya

I understand- I would just think they would take the members feelings into consideration when making decisions.

I thought so too. Little testimony from my last days in the LC back in 2005. I was a deacon working with the elders for years. A new "leader" had been sent to town from our Cleveland headquarters, and he soon wanted to completely shake up the meeting structure. I pushed back on these changes citing feedback I had from the saints directly. He over-ruled my concerns while the other elders remained silent.

Later on I privately talked to him. At that point I had already stopped meeting with the elders, so he was somewhat at ease with me. In a statement I will never forget, he told me, "sometimes we need to shock the saints." I felt by then that some of the saints had frankly been electrocuted.

His attitude was callous, and something I had become familiar with for many years -- leaders in the LC never take the members' feelings into consideration when making decisions. The only feelings they take into consideration are those of their boss at headquarters.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The only feelings they take into consideration are those of their boss at headquarters.

If we were playing Jeopardy my response would be "What is the feeling of the Body?"

[kumbaya]

Originally Posted by Terry

If we were playing Jeopardy my response would be "What is the feeling of the Body?"

Yes, haha! On the afaithfulword site they kept saying "the feeling of the body" when justifying quarantine (which is the 2nd topic on their page). Who exactly have they conferred with to get this feeling? Just those blended brothers who coincidentally also run LSM? Got it! Give me a break!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by kumbaya

Yes, haha! On the afaithfulword site they kept saying "the feeling of the body" when justifying quarantine (which is the 2nd topic on their page). Who exactly have they conferred with to get this feeling? Just those blended brothers who coincidentally also run LSM? Got it! Give me a break!

I watched them at LSM for years "seed" the congregation with their bias against ones like Titus Chu, supposedly for being "ambitious" and "having his own ministry."

Was not Paul and the other apostles all ambitious to serve the Lord? Was not Paul and the other apostles all desirous of being faithful to the ministry the Lord gave them?

This is one way how they "know" the feeling of the body.

[clever sister]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I watched them at LSM for years "seed" the congregation with their bias against ones like Titus Chu, supposedly for being "ambitious" and "having his own ministry."

Was not Paul and the other apostles all ambitious to serve the Lord? Was not Paul and the other apostles all desirous of being faithful to the ministry the Lord gave them?

This is one way how they "know" the feeling of the body.

Rebelliours ones were "ambitious", anyone else who left was "offended"

[aron]

Originally Posted by Terry

If we were playing Jeopardy my response would be "What is the feeling of the Body?"

That's what happens when you turn you life over to a book publisher.

[Indiana]

Witness Lee – We have to know that today in the church we don’t exercise autocracy, a dictatorship; or democracy, according to people’s opinion; but we like to honor God’s authority as our government, and this is what we call theocracy, Gods government.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Witness Lee – We have to know that today in the church we . . .like to honor God’s authority as our government, and this is what we call theocracy, Gods government.

Witness Lee said this but his imposition of his 'unspiritual' son Philip as office manager at LSM proves otherwise.

I recently read a website encomium lauding Dong Yu Lan as God's chosen vessel of grace, God's recent 'man of the hour' to bring the riches of heaven to earth. It noted that DYL had ''raised up 900 churches around the world, and this proves that'' yada-yada.

It reminded me how WL used that tactic all the time. He'd point out A and say how it proved B. But if you live by the sword you'll die by it. Philip and Timothy prove that papa Witness wasn't fit to be elder in a local assembly, much less MOTA (assuming such exists).

Witness Lee's practice showed honor to family ties above God's authority.