First Post kumbaya

[clever sister]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

10% tithing is not taught - the tithe was an old testament concept and one of legality. If any are giving 10% in a legalistic way, that's their business really, and even some might give in the hope of getting a double fold triple special blessing seed, I don't know.

I have been in the same room as Paul Hon while he strongly stated that we needed to give at a minimum 10% of whatever income we had.

On the matter of photocopies of ministry (Or Xerox as Drake has been calling it), yes my locality did sometimes make photocopies, but it was nearly always for new ones. Once you were more established in the LC you were expected to buy your own copies of the HWfMR.

At conferences we were always strongly encouraged to buy ministry books.

And I don't know how many ministry books I had to buy when I went to FTTH. We weren't allowed to just use the online versions (I doubt they were all available online anyway).

And a lot of saints have invested a lot of time and money to support the giving away of the Recovery Version NT Bible for free. My parents included. If I remember correctly the cost is about $10 per bible (may not a bit cheaper in $US). Who gets that $10?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by clever sister

I have been in the same room as Paul Hon while he strongly stated that we needed to give at a minimum 10% of whatever income we had.

On the matter of photocopies of ministry (Or Xerox as Drake has been calling it), yes my locality did sometimes make photocopies, but it was nearly always for new ones. Once you were more established in the LC you were expected to buy your own copies of the HWfMR.

At conferences we were always strongly encouraged to buy ministry books.

And I don't know how many ministry books I had to buy when I went to FTTH. We weren't allowed to just use the online versions (I doubt they were all available online anyway).

And a lot of saints have invested a lot of time and money to support the giving away of the Recovery Version NT Bible for free. My parents included. If I remember correctly the cost is about $10 per bible (may not a bit cheaper in $US). Who gets that $10?

A devotional book goes for about 6-8 weeks. That's no more than 10 books a year. At $10 each that's only $100 per year. Hardly a burden for most. Anyway, I always buy the online version, it's only about $5. So yes, if you are new, or forgetful, a copy may be done, but I think it's right to pay for them eventually.

[clever sister]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

A devotional book goes for about 6-8 weeks. That's no more than 10 books a year. At $10 each that's only $100 per year. Hardly a burden for most. Anyway, I always buy the online version, it's only about $5. So yes, if you are new, or forgetful, a copy may be done, but I think it's right to pay for them eventually.

I wasn't talking about the HWfMR.

I was talking about the money (and time) my parents have poured into the "Free Bible" work the LSM promotes around the world. LSM prints the bibles themselves, yes, there would be some cost associated with that, but I doubt it is $10.

If they are really doing it to further the Word of God, wouldn't the provide the bibles at cost?

Maybe I am naive and under appreciate the cost of materials in actually producing the free Recovery Version bible.

[clever sister]

Originally Posted by clever sister

I wasn't talking about the HWfMR.

I was talking about the money (and time) my parents have poured into the "Free Bible" work the LSM promotes around the world. LSM prints the bibles themselves, yes, there would be some cost associated with that, but I doubt it is $10.

If they are really doing it to further the Word of God, wouldn't the provide the bibles at cost?

Maybe I am naive and under appreciate the cost of materials in actually producing the free Recovery Version bible.

Don't get me wrong, I know my parents gave to this cause voluntarily and they truly believed that these bibles would help get people saved.

But I just wonder at LSM's intentions at starting this work.

Was it for the Lord's work, or was it another way to get more money out of people like my parents who already had several RV versions, already had the entire Life study series and probably owned every ministry book published by LSM already?
Maybe they weren't happy only getting $100 a year from my parents via HWfMR (plus whatever my parents were giving to the local LC).

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by clever sister

I wasn't talking about the HWfMR.

I was talking about the money (and time) my parents have poured into the "Free Bible" work the LSM promotes around the world. LSM prints the bibles themselves, yes, there would be some cost associated with that, but I doubt it is $10.

If they are really doing it to further the Word of God, wouldn't the provide the bibles at cost?

Maybe I am naive and under appreciate the cost of materials in actually producing the free Recovery Version bible.

Why doesn't Zondervan do that as well?

[kumbaya]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Why doesn't Zondervan do that as well?

Not the point. I’m sure there are others that are exploitive as well.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by kumbaya

Not the point. I’m sure there are others that are exploitive as well.

Let's put this another way.

Who else besides LSM gives out free bibles? Probably some organizations give out KJV's for free.
Now who gives out free study bibles with footnotes?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Let's put this another way.

Who else besides LSM gives out free bibles? Probably some organizations give out KJV's for free.
Now who gives out free study bibles with footnotes?

Numerous agencies, like Gideon's, give away free Bibles.

The last free Bible I received, I really like. It is the WEB version, the World English Bible, an excellent translation, much better than the Recovery Version.

I wonder if LSM's BFA campaign is giving away free Bibles with footnotes, or free Footnotes with a Bible?

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Let's put this another way.

Who else besides LSM gives out free bibles? Probably some organizations give out KJV's for free.
Now who gives out free study bibles with footnotes?

"Footnotes" are somebody's opinion. What's so special about a "study bible with footnotes."

[aron]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Why doesn't Zondervan do that as well?

Suppose Zondervan held to a "One Publication" policy, denying the validity of anyone else's published efforts. Then you'd start to get an idea of how bad the LSM and its disguised recruiting arms really are.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by clever sister

I have been in the same room as Paul Hon while he strongly stated that we needed to give at a minimum 10% of whatever income we had.

Forget about 10%, the Blendeds have even commented that the entire LC offerings belongs to LSM.

In context, they mentioned how W. Nee had all the saints "hand over" everything they owned to his ministry.

Pretty scary. Pretty arrogant. Pretty deceptive.

[kumbaya]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Forget about 10%, the Blendeds have even commented that the entire LC offerings belongs to LSM.

In context, they mentioned how W. Nee had all the saints "hand over" everything they owned to his ministry.

Pretty scary. Pretty arrogant. Pretty deceptive.

Pretty scary indeed! When did they say this? Is there a record of it?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by kumbaya

Pretty scary indeed! When did they say this? Is there a record of it?

During the so-called "New Way" movement in Taipei during the late 80's.

It was spoken by Blendeds, doubt if it is in a book.