Climate Change

[Boxjobox]

ZNP- What do you propose for a solution? Obviously, if oil is the problem, then we should all cease using oil for energy. That would mean an alternative energy source is needed or humankind go back to an agrarian life, which was not very friendly. Mostly what I hear from the climate changers is scare tactics of doom and gloom, while the proponents still have no problem living with the luxury and benefit of oil. The only solution that ever seems to be proposed is TAX. If the scientists have an answer/an alternative, bring it out, draw up a workable model that would not be dependent on oil. I see no workable model being presented.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Boxjobox

ZNP- What do you propose for a solution? Obviously, if oil is the problem, then we should all cease using oil for energy. That would mean an alternative energy source is needed or humankind go back to an agrarian life, which was not very friendly. Mostly what I hear from the climate changers is scare tactics of doom and gloom, while the proponents still have no problem living with the luxury and benefit of oil. The only solution that ever seems to be proposed is TAX. If the scientists have an answer/an alternative, bring it out, draw up a workable model that would not be dependent on oil. I see no workable model being presented.

I could give you the solution in 2 words but I doubt any would understand. The solution has to be practical. It is completely unreasonable and impractical to think that 8 billion people will stop using fossil fuel because of climate change. Likewise, solar is becoming more and more economic and bigger and it is growing exponentially. But that doesn't mean people will stop using existing power plants fueled with fossil fuel.

So then it will take 100+ years to make the transition to an essentially carbon free power. So then the real question is what is the solution that will get us through the next 100 years. Personally I think the cost of climate change is finally beginning to take a bite out of numerous government budgets and that is the reason the consensus has swung, it truly is a "green" issue now.

I am avoiding getting into details about the "solution" because it is quite lengthy. But in short here is what a solution looks like -- it will be a city (we have to think of societal changes to make an impact), this city will be carbon neutral (as more and more of these cities get built we will see a significant decrease in emissions), this city will be designed to survive hurricanes, floods, droughts, tornadoes, and other forms of extreme weather events. This city will also be a far more economic place to live and far more pleasant place to live, this will be the motivation for people to move, build, and fund the construction. Finally the city has to be built in desert environments and ocean environments, because other than those two places it is hard to find the space to build brand new cities.

In two words the solution is the "New Jerusalem".

[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I could give you the solution in 2 words but I doubt any would understand. The solution has to be practical. It is completely unreasonable and impractical to think that 8 billion people will stop using fossil fuel because of climate change. Likewise, solar is becoming more and more economic and bigger and it is growing exponentially. But that doesn't mean people will stop using existing power plants fueled with fossil fuel.

So then it will take 100+ years to make the transition to an essentially carbon free power. So then the real question is what is the solution that will get us through the next 100 years. Personally I think the cost of climate change is finally beginning to take a bite out of numerous government budgets and that is the reason the consensus has swung, it truly is a "green" issue now.

I am avoiding getting into details about the "solution" because it is quite lengthy. But in short here is what a solution looks like -- it will be a city (we have to think of societal changes to make an impact), this city will be carbon neutral (as more and more of these cities get built we will see a significant decrease in emissions), this city will be designed to survive hurricanes, floods, droughts, tornadoes, and other forms of extreme weather events. This city will also be a far more economic place to live and far more pleasant place to live, this will be the motivation for people to move, build, and fund the construction. Finally the city has to be built in desert environments and ocean environments, because other than those two places it is hard to find the space to build brand new cities.

In two words the solution is the "New Jerusalem".

ZNP- problem with that solution is that the New Jerusalem is built by God- it's not earthly- where we all live. Perhaps the solutiion would be a little more God-given-down-to-earth: what about implementing a weekly sabbath rest. 6 days of energy use, one day of shutting down all but necessary consuming. Turn off the whole consumption/get ahead/entertainment/travel/military/electronic society and contemplate creation and the God who created all things. This would reduce what some feel are the catalysts for climate change about 14%. It would also be an internal change-maker for the human soul.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Boxjobox

ZNP- problem with that solution is that the New Jerusalem is built by God- it's not earthly- where we all live. Perhaps the solutiion would be a little more God-given-down-to-earth: what about implementing a weekly sabbath rest. 6 days of energy use, one day of shutting down all but necessary consuming. Turn off the whole consumption/get ahead/entertainment/travel/military/electronic society and contemplate creation and the God who created all things. This would reduce what some feel are the catalysts for climate change about 14%. It would also be an internal change-maker for the human soul.

If you are going the wrong direction, driving slower is not a solution.

Sabbath rest for who? Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, etc?

Even if we were to immediately drop to 0 net emissions we would still continue on this path of Climate change for a great deal longer, maybe even 100+ years.

Are you familiar with a "feedback loop"? We have already reached a level of warming where we are getting methane hydrates bubbling up into the atmosphere from what was formerly perma frost and from the sea bottom. This is a very powerful greenhouse gas. As this bubbles up we get accelerated climate change.

As Ohio has pointed out a major portion of our emissions is from cows and pigs. How do you propose a "sabbath rest" from cows and pigs pooping and burping?

Half of a cars emissions are from the manufacture of the car. Just because you don't drive it one day a week won't change all of that.

Heating and cooling of buildings is a major contributor of greenhouse gases. Do you propose that people take a Sabbath rest from heating and cooling their homes and businesses?

The bottom line is we are sitting on the railroad tracks, the train is coming and the only way to survive the coming storm (precisely prophesied about in the book of Revelation) is to build a "boat" that can weather the storm.

Since the NT charges us to "be imitators of God" I see no reason why we can't build a city according to the design of the NJ.

[ZNPaaneah]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Global warming is likely slowing the main Atlantic Ocean circulation, which has plunged to its weakest level on record, according to a new study.

[Intothewind]

Doesn't matter what you believe, only what is demonstrated correct. Believing something that is incorrect is irrelevant.



Just cause you believe you can move mountains doesn't mean a thing.


The futility or solutions to climate change don't effect whether or not it is happening and man caused.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Intothewind

Doesn't matter what you believe, only what is demonstrated correct. Believing something that is incorrect is irrelevant.



Just cause you believe you can move mountains doesn't mean a thing.


The futility or solutions to climate change don't effect whether or not it is happening and man caused.

Brother Intothewind, "the answer my friend is blowing in the wind."