Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

I attempted to have a go at that with levity but I see you prefer candor... so there you have it. Happy to accommodate.

Drake

Folks get fired these days for "lacking candor."

Too bad that same standard never applied to LSM.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Folks get fired these days for "lacking candor."

Too bad that same standard never applied to LSM.

Wasn't John Ingalls fired for "lack of candor"?

[Drake]

Igzy>”In your case, Drake, I'm not sure you believe any of the stuff you say. I tend to think it's mostly just a game to you, a way to pass the time.”

Nope.

Appreciate your explanation Igzy. I believe Truth is absolute. I believe when experience leads it becomes a filter to Truth. The kind of Bible you have then depends on the kind of person you are shaped by experience. Nevertheless many people do interpret the Bible and the truths therein based on experience. I don’t. It is not good practice to lead with something that is unreliable and limited. It has its place but not in establishing Biblical Truth.

On this quote above allow me to clarify.

Remove all doubt from your mind. If I am not sure about something I will indicate or qualify it as I did with the question on Titus Chu. When I state something in a back and forth rest assured I believe it. I don’t like to waste time. Do I allow room to be persuaded ? Certainly. Do I hold deep convictions about most of the things I speak of? Certainly. Do I disengage when I think a fellow poster is not discussing in good faith? Almost always.

But again, appreciate the conversation.

Drake

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Drake

The kind of Bible you have then depends on the kind of person you are shaped by experience.

This is true whether you want it to be or not. Cannot be avoided. You believe the things you do largely because of the type of person you are. We all do. That's why the Bible doesn't tell us to eliminate ourselves from the equation, it says seek to be pure in heart.

God can't teach you anything if you don't know something first.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Igzy

This is true whether you want it to be or not. Cannot be avoided. You believe the things you do largely because of the type of person you are. We all do. That's why the Bible doesn't tell us to eliminate ourselves from the equation, it says seek to be pure in heart.

God can't teach you anything if you don't know something first.

Now you appear to be disagreeing for disagreement sake.

Consider this.....

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, whether your experience is as a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, an atheist, a Communist, a Capitalist, a child of the 60’s, a conservative, a liberal, a libertarian, a king or a pauper, etc,etc,

Whatever experience one accumulates from their station in life, it does not change the biblical truth that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life even if they allow their experience to filter out that truth.

I think you know that.

Drake

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Drake

Whatever experience one accumulates from their station in life, it does not change the biblical truth that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life even if they allow their experience to filter out that truth.

I think you know that.

I do know that. But you cannot possibly know what it means for Jesus to be way, truth and life without a certain amount of life experience. Also, without experiencing the Holy Spirit teaching you what it means, you cannot know what it truly means. So all true Bible understanding is based on experiences.

We say that people get wiser with age. What makes them wiser? Not that they get smarter, but that they experience life and get a new perspective. My perspective on what the Bible means has changed with experience. So it's not just about the words. The words have absolute meaning, but I believe you cannot really know what some of it means without going through certain experiences.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Igzy

I do know that. But you cannot possibly know what it means for Jesus to be way, truth and life without a certain amount of life experience. Also, without experiencing the Holy Spirit teaching you what it means, you cannot know what it truly means. So all true Bible understanding is based on experiences.

Unless, even as a Christian, you are willing to live in a grossly legalistic society where all life's decisions are made for you.

Remember, the Bible does not say that we walk by rules or teachings even from scripture, rather we walk by the Spirit, and we walk by faith. Both of which require a continual "experience" of our Lord within.

[Cal]

Metaphysically our life cannot but be based on experience, because all our cognition comes through some kind of experience. Our realization of things is always affected by who and what we are.

For example, "love one another" means different things based upon what you think love means.

And what's cool is we really don't know for sure at all times who has the best perspective. Therefore we become humble, depending on each other and the Lord to see the light.