Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Drake

Igzy>"First, the fact that he gave apostles for the building of the Body and that the Body is not yet completely built is no proof that he is continuing to give apostles. "

V13 starts with the word "until".... meaning up to the events mentioned in v13.

The gifts mentioned in v11 are given to perfect the saints in v12 to do the building up of the Body until the items in v13 are completed.

The goals are v13, the procedure is v12, and the enablers are in v11.

Drake

If if said "he gives" instead of "he gave" you might have a point. But there is no proof in this verse that he is continuing to give apostles. The baseline of "gave" is only past tense.

We know he has continued to give evangelists, shepherds and teachers, their presence has been and is undeniably manifest. There has been little evidence of apostles and prophets.

As I've said, the Church has not recognized any Apostles since John died. Even under the unlikely possibility that Lee was an apostle, the fact that you and your fringe groups believes it is nothing confirmation. Believe what you want, but it's unreasonable for you to expect anyone else to.