Whistleblower

[Steel]

Originally Posted by Nell

Who told you that? This forum is not "a" church. It is THE church. The universal church.

How would you know... Do you know that all who participate on this forum are born again eternally saved believers who are in Christ? . . . Has there been some sort of guaranteed authentication processing carried out? . . . No, Nell... This online forum, and any other online forum is... NOT... a gathering of the church that is in Christ... In the sense/context spoken to in scripture... Which is that of being in the physical company of another/others.

So your above speaking in absolutely in error.

Originally Posted by Nell

The word just says "tell it to the church" with no distinction on who it is that represents the church in this matter. In fact, this forum is precisely the members of the Lord's church who need this information. We are witnesses to the whole matter. We care more for those abused than those believers who have no knowledge of Lee and his sordid sinful behavior. Anyone who has ever sat through a Witness Lee message, or purchased a Living Stream Ministry publication has a vested interested in this matter...that is...THE CHURCH.

Nell

And above we see more error... Which is understandable... As error can only produce more error.

First... The context related to "...tell it to the church.." is that of the related local church in which the matter was taking place... Second... Contrary to what Nell says above... Not everyone here "... are witnesses to the whole matter."... Third... Nell is out of place to say that "...We care more for those abused than those believers who have no knowledge of Lee and his sordid sinful behavior."... Fourth... To have a "...vested interest..." in any matter is to be of the thinking that you have some sort of investment in a matter, and are interested in gaining a profit from this investment.

Now the first three errors of Nell made clear... The fourth is what I'd like to speak on as it concernes a matter that I have been considering before the Lord regarding brothers and sisters who participate on this website... This matter being... Why do we do it?... What is our "...vested interest..."?

Two possible reasonins could be that... 1... We hold to the belief that we have in some way "...invested..." something of our person (belief, trust, effort, time, money) in related things and feel obligated to protect our investment... and 2... We hold to the belief that we in some way need to realize a profit from this investment we have made.

Thing is... As slaves... We are in error to think we have made any type of investment in anything... Or that we are obligated to protect it... And also... That we need to realize a profit from anything that we are, or have been, a part of... The only one who has a "...vested interest..." and has the right to receive a profit is the Master of us slaves.

And notice in Nell's above speaking is nothing that points to this truth... None of her speaking points to Christ Jesus... Just herself and the church.

Sure... She does use the term "...the Lord's church..." but it is in context to the members of His church... Not Him... At least in a direct sense.

I wonder if Nell, or others here, have considered what the Lord's... Our Lord's... Vested interest is in this website... And what He desires to profit from it.

[Nell]

My Larry Nassar Testimony Went Viral. But There’s More to the Gospel Than Forgiveness.

Article in Christianity Today, January, 2018

Former gymnast Rachael Denhollander spent years discovering God’s perspective on sexual abuse. Then her advocacy for survivors cost her her church.

INTERVIEW BY MORGAN LEE| JANUARY 31, 2018

"...Yes. Church is one of the least safe places to acknowledge abuse because the way it is counseled is, more often than not, damaging to the victim. There is an abhorrent lack of knowledge for the damage and devastation that sexual assault brings. It is with deep regret that I say the church is one of the worst places to go for help. That’s a hard thing to say, because I am a very conservative evangelical, but that is the truth. There are very, very few who have ever found true help in the church. ... " (emphasis added)

This is an excellent interview by one of the Nassar victims and the response of the church to what happened to her.

Nell

[Nell]

Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment
(also called GRACE or G.R.A.C.E) is a Virginia 501(c)(3) non-profit organization formed by Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian to assist evangelical groups in confronting sexual abuse, particularly child sexual abuse, within their organizations.[1][2] Tchividjian is the grandson of Billy Graham and a law professor at Liberty University, who formerly worked as a prosecutor on sexual abuse cases.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godly_...an_Environment

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment
(also called GRACE or G.R.A.C.E) is a Virginia 501(c)(3) non-profit organization formed by Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian to assist evangelical groups in confronting sexual abuse, particularly child sexual abuse, within their organizations.[1][2] Tchividjian is the grandson of Billy Graham and a law professor at Liberty University, who formerly worked as a prosecutor on sexual abuse cases.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godly_...an_Environment

I'm friends with a sister who as a young child was sexually molested by her father ... a Baptist missionary in Pakistan.

Tchividjian is right. It really screw up her head for the rest of her life. It needs to stop, and covering it up only makes it worse.

Thanks Nell.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment
(also called GRACE or G.R.A.C.E) is a Virginia 501(c)(3) non-profit organization formed by Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian to assist evangelical groups in confronting sexual abuse, particularly child sexual abuse, within their organizations.[1][2] Tchividjian is the grandson of Billy Graham and a law professor at Liberty University, who formerly worked as a prosecutor on sexual abuse cases.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godly_...an_Environment

Nell, thanks for this post. I looked at the Wiki article, which interested me:

In the early 2000s, Tchividjian became convinced that Protestant institutions had not properly addressed incidents of sexual abuse, incidents that he believed would eventually lead to scandals similar to those that had damaged the Catholic Church.

In Tchividjian's view, the legalistic, authoritarian culture of some Protestant organizations was particularly susceptible to what he called "spiritual abuse" — the attempt of religious leaders to silence victims or convince them that they deserved their abuse Tchividjian has stated that, "When it comes to child sexual abuse, too many churches and Christian organizations prefer to sacrifice individuals in order to protect themselves. We end up living out the very antithesis of the Gospel that we preach. The consequences are devastating."

GRACE began in 2003 when a reporter called Tchividjian about a case of sexual abuse mishandled by a pastor.

Sounds all too familiar.

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[Steel]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sounds all too familiar.

Yep... For sure when looking at the entirety of folly Christianity.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Steel

Yep... For sure when looking at the entirety of folly Christianity.

Huh?

But God sees no iniquity in Israel?

[Steel]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Huh?
But God sees no iniquity in Israel?

God knows the source of iniquity in the creature he determine was very good.

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Steel

Yep... For sure when looking at the entirety of folly Christianity.

Is the LC included? Or is this one of those "three fingers pointing back at you" deals?

[Steel]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Is the LC included? Or is this one of those "three fingers pointing back at you" deals?

Absolutely... In both cases.

Any "Christian" can be found in, and express... All that is related to the "...ity..." suffix.

And this reality is even confirmed in the writings of published LSM resources... In fact, it was just a few months ago that we were reading ministry that spoke about religion being in every human... Including those of us reading the ministry.