Whistleblower

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Drake

Yes, they were.

Do you think excommunication was sufficient?

Was Witness Lee wrong to oppose the excommunication?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Was Witness Lee wrong to oppose the excommunication?

You’ll need to move from interrogation mode to mutual dialogue if you care continue .

Thanks
Drake

[Drake]

Ohio>”NO!”

Ok, should criminal charges have been filed also? If so, what?

This is where we agree and disagree. I agree that PL should have been excommunicated and I also believe if he committed a crime the police should have been called in. Did he?

If he did not commit a crime then there would be no basis for calling the police into the situation. Did John or Godfred believe a crime was committed? Did the sister allege a crime was committed? If not, why do you allege what none of them do?

Thank about that... why are you so eager to make claims that principles have not made? Please provide some testimony that proves your allegation of rape.

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Thank about that... why are you so eager to make claims that principles have not made? Please provide some testimony that proves your allegation of rape.

Drake

Why do you keep screaming "RAPE" in every post?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Why do you keep screaming "RAPE" in every post?

Because you have made the allegation before.

But today is a new day.... you can clear it up once and for all.. do you believe PL was guilty of rape?

Yes or no?

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Because you have made the allegation before.

But today is a new day.... you can clear it up once and for all.. do you believe PL was guilty of rape?

Yes or no?

Drake

Where? Let me see it.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Where? Let me see it.

Ohio>“...PL's vices were well known in to those related to LSM. If WL just wanted his sons to be successful via some business venture, then why not just funnel money to him? Only the accountants would then know, rather than risking scandals regarding rape and immorality.”

But look, I’ll be fair. You reserve the right to change your mind and to clarify.

Do you believe that PL committed rape?

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Ok, should criminal charges have been filed also? If so, what?

It's obvious from STTIL that the elders in Anaheim and the victims at LSM wanted to keep the matter "in house" and not go to the law. The principles in I Cor. 6, I Tim 5, etc. were apparently on their minds. They really thought that WL would provide "justice," thinking that judgement "begins in the house of God."

Obviously no one at LSM at that time could be considered a "wise" man. (I Cor 6.5)

Paul instructed Timothy concerning church leaders (I Tim 5.21), "I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and Christ Jesus and the chosen angels to observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing out of favoritism."

Consider how sober and serious Paul's instruction to Timothy is here. He calls on God and Christ Jesus and the chosen angels to witness: Timothy must serve without prejudice and without partiality.

This is exactly the opposite of what WL did!

During that entire time, WL treated Ingalls and others with prejudice and treated his boy Philip with partiality.

Did not God and Christ and the chosen angels witness that?

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Drake

You’ll need to move from interrogation mode to mutual dialogue if you care continue .

Thanks
Drake

Drake, it doesn't look good for you that you don't want to answer this question.

Was Witness Lee wrong to oppose Philip Lee's excommunication?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Drake, it doesn't look good for you that you don't want to answer this question.

Was Witness Lee wrong to oppose Philip Lee's excommunication?

Koinonia,

I have answered many of your questions. I am happy to answer more when you reciprocate and answer mine.

I don’t care what it looks like. I won’t voluntarily participate in what feels like an inquisition.

Drake

[Drake]

Ok Ohio. Yours is a moral and biblical argument.

This thread started with the introduction of the idea of criminal charges.

Should criminal charges have been filed?

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Ok Ohio. Yours is a moral and biblical argument. This thread started with the introduction of the idea of criminal charges. Should criminal charges have been filed?

When Philip Lee molested and abused sisters, paid or volunteer, at LSM ... yes, the police should be called.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

When Philip Lee molested and abused sisters, paid or volunteer, at LSM ... yes, the police should be called.

Then why didn't John or Godfred make that call or drop a dime on PL?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Drake, it doesn't look good for you that you don't want to answer this question.

Was Witness Lee wrong to oppose Philip Lee's excommunication?

Originally Posted by Drake

Koinonia,

I have answered many of your questions. I am happy to answer more when you reciprocate and answer mine.

I don’t care what it looks like. I won’t voluntarily participate in what feels like an inquisition.

Drake

Koinonia, this is hilarious, if not frighteningly sad.

For Drake to admit WL was wrong makes him feel like part of an inquisition.

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Koinonia, this is hilarious, if not frighteningly sad.

For Drake to admit WL was wrong makes him feel like part of an inquisition.

I did not expect Drake to answer the question. He won't, apparently. And that is very sad and very telling.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

I did not expect Drake to answer the question. He won't, apparently. And that is very sad and very telling.

If you did not expect me to answer it then what kind of game are you playing?

You are avoiding my question... why? Unlike you, I actually expect you to reciprocate and answer mine. You don’t want to? No problem, it wasn’t important enough to you to converse.

Drake