The Vision of the Age, the Ministry of the Age, and the Minister of the Age

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Do you understand, brother Drake? It's not a small thing to blow up a small member, and the truth he brings; then to ignore him, as if he and his message is nothing.

Indiana, don't know if you have realized that "fellowship" in the LSM local churches only flows from the greater brother to lessor brother. One way the maximum brothers defend themselves from fellowship is by "see no evil, hear no evil ". Now if the would only practice "speak no evil" things would be healthier.

[Drake]

Indiana>* Do you understand, brother Drake? It's not a small thing to blow up a small member, and the truth he brings; then to ignore him, as if he and his message is nothing.”

I absolutely agree Indiana. What I am saying is that the One you need to tell this to and the One you need to turn it over to once and for all is the Lord. The incident has greatly affected you Brother and you need to be unshackled from it.

Drake

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Drake

I absolutely agree Indiana. What I am saying is that the One you need to tell this to and the One you need to turn it over to once and for all is the Lord. The incident has greatly affected you Brother and you need to be unshackled from it.

Great point, this is also what I have seen from the NT.

Matt 18 -- "If he won't hear you" -- the Lord realizes this is one possible outcome. You have fulfilled your requirement, tell it to the church and move on.

Rev 3 -- Church in Philadelphia -- "go out no more" -- it is very clear that before you can arrive at Philadelphia you will need to "go out". It is part of the process. We learn to empathize with others by going through these experiences.

Church in Laodicea -- Jesus is outside knocking calling on those still there to come out and sup with Him. Yes, you may have entered the church in Laodicea because of the Lord's calling, but you can also leave because of His calling as well.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Drake

Indiana>* Do you understand, brother Drake? It's not a small thing to blow up a small member, and the truth he brings; then to ignore him, as if he and his message is nothing.”

I absolutely agree Indiana. What I am saying is that the One you need to tell this to and the One you need to turn it over to once and for all is the Lord. The incident has greatly affected you Brother and you need to be unshackled from it.

Drake

Brothers! You speak as if I have NOT experienced what you are now saying I should do.

This case with Ron Kangas is not just about he and I; it is on another level and manifests the deep-rooted problem of LSM inspired authoritarian leadership whose debilitating ways ought to be broadcast and confronted.

Some have the following perspective.

"In some limited sense, I'm not so sure Isitt and Luther are so different. Luther did have other options, joining others outside the RCC, but like Isitt, he grew up with the belief that his church was the only true church, standing on the proper ground of truth and oneness, with a leader who had the proper lineage of authority.

Both Luther and Isitt, when examining their core ideology, had no intention of leaving their roots. Both worked tirelessly to reform apparent errors and return their church back to its former days of "glory." We can stand back and look at both of them and "laugh," knowing that they are fighting an overwhelming and hopeless battle, but frankly it's none of our business.

Personally, I like to let each one man serve God according to conscience. Who am I to know whether or not the Lord is not directing their very steps? I am convinced that the Lord does direct some to stay in the LC in relative silence, He has directed others to leave the LC in silence, and He has directed some others to speak out long and loud to expose the errors of their ways. Who are we to judge? God's ways are higher than our ways."
(Ohio, 2011)

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Indiana

Brothers! You speak as if I have NOT experienced what you are now saying I should do.

This case with Ron Kangas is not just about he and I; it is on another level and manifests the deep-rooted problem of LSM inspired authoritarian leadership whose debilitating ways ought to be broadcast and confronted.

Some have the following perspective.

"In some limited sense, I'm not so sure Isitt and Luther are so different. Luther did have other options, joining others outside the RCC, but like Isitt, he grew up with the belief that his church was the only true church, standing on the proper ground of truth and oneness, with a leader who had the proper lineage of authority.

Both Luther and Isitt, when examining their core ideology, had no intention of leaving their roots. Both worked tirelessly to reform apparent errors and return their church back to its former days of "glory." We can stand back and look at both of them and "laugh," knowing that they are fighting an overwhelming and hopeless battle, but frankly it's none of our business.

Personally, I like to let each one man serve God according to conscience. Who am I to know whether or not the Lord is not directing their very steps? I am convinced that the Lord does direct some to stay in the LC in relative silence, He has directed others to leave the LC in silence, and He has directed some others to speak out long and loud to expose the errors of their ways. Who are we to judge? God's ways are higher than our ways."
(Ohio, 2011)

Brother Indiana,

I’m sorry it has been 10 years of waiting for Ron Kansas to respond to your reasonable request. I believe you have followed the process of confronting a sinning brother that the Lord Jesus spelled out in Matthew 18:15-17 http://biblehub.com/blb/matthew/18.htm
You have gone together with other brothers to ask for repentance (look how many have joined you in the request!) and being rebuffed, have you have told it to the church.
Unfortunately, it is time to treat Ron as a pagan and taxgatherer.... pray for his salvation.
Be in peace brother!

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Indiana

This case with Ron Kangas is not just about he and I; it is on another level and manifests the deep-rooted problem of LSM inspired authoritarian leadership whose debilitating ways ought to be broadcast and confronted.

Apostle John addressed that in 3 John.
Like 3 John, the matter of receiving becomes too political. The Church in Spokane won't receive you unless things are made right in Seattle. That in itself is a catch 22 when the responsible brothers there won't even respond. In your writing Hear the Cases the matter of brother Mario's inability to be received in Vista is just as similar. The matter of receiving becomes a political matter.