First Post kumbaya

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

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Ohio, I thought her reference might have been unintentional so I reached out to her privately to resolve it once she indicated she did not know what I was referring to. Had she edited out the quote I would have deleted the content of my reply as well. However, since she chose to make a public defense of the quote I am not convinced she did not intend it since she states she pushes the limit.

So we’ll see. In this instance, my objection is not about profanity, rather, it is about profaniing the words of our Lord. That will always get a response out of me as it should every Christian.

Drake

Perhaps the Private Messaging system was a red flag to her and she became a little suspicious. I don't know.

It doesn't appear to me that she wants to "push the limit." She is just sorting out LC issues with other former members.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps the Private Messaging system was a red flag to her and she became a little suspicious. I don't know.

It doesn't appear to me that she wants to "push the limit." She is just sorting out LC issues with other former members.

Well, I don’t see that way Brother Ohio.

Nevertheless, you might be right, so I’ll stand down on this one.

Drake

[kumbaya]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps the Private Messaging system was a red flag to her and she became a little suspicious. I don't know.

It doesn't appear to me that she wants to "push the limit." She is just sorting out LC issues with other former members.

Thanks. I don't mind explaining that. Perhaps I'm a little overprotective with myself but if you knew me you'd know I'm still not great at handling conflict. Not saying it was intentional but I was feeling attacked and have learned that the best response when feeling that way is to have accountability by knowing everything said is open for all to see. If that came off as something else, I'm sorry.

I just have no desire to get into a private one on one argument with anyone. I hope it can just be dropped now

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by kumbaya

Thanks. I don't mind explaining that. Perhaps I'm a little overprotective with myself but if you knew me you'd know I'm still not great at handling conflict. Not saying it was intentional but I was feeling attacked and have learned that the best response when feeling that way is to have accountability by knowing everything said is open for all to see. If that came off as something else, I'm sorry.

I thought you handled the situation quite well. Perhaps you don't give yourself enough credit. Drake (and other pro-LSM posters) can be quite infuriating at times, but you seemed to display just the right amount of push back and humility. He keeps us honest, and we him, though I'm sure he will disagree.

I think having posters like him on your thread has really helped you. Look at how much more has surfaced in such a short time. This forum is a friendly discussion of ideas by members and former members of the LC's. It's helpful for you to know that you are not alone, neither was yours an isolated case. What you have learned helps others here too.

One thing we have all faced is the guilt shaming. You just recently faced a couple incidents of this concerning tithing and that Steinem quote. Instead of listening to what you were trying to say, he attempted to discredit you by zeroing in on minor things. So typical. Pass the camel and strain out the gnats.

But notice there was no response to WL's comment about "losing their virginity." That was during an elders' meeting. How irreverent was that? Compare what WL did and said during Daystar with the Apostle Paul's fellowship with the Corinthians in II Cor. 11.1-4. Not good. But these events have been hidden from nearly all the members.

[Drake]

The considerate duck had already paddled away
....but hearing a disturbance he wonders if he is being called back into the fray.
Is that the beckoning sound of a duck call he hears?
No, no, it must be imagination playing in his ears.
Perhaps it is just the familiar trap.
He yawns and settles in for a nap.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

The considerate duck had already paddled away
....but hearing a disturbance he wonders if he is being called back into the fray.
Is that the beckoning sound of a duck call he hears?
No, no, it must be imagination playing in his ears.
Perhaps it is just the familiar trap.
He yawns and settles in for a nap.

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Perhaps binge watching Duck Dynasty for the holidays?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps binge watching Duck Dynasty for the holidays?

It is very possible. Throw in some Daffy Duck toons and we are talking a dream holiday in the making.

[kumbaya]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I thought you handled the situation quite well. Perhaps you don't give yourself enough credit. Drake (and other pro-LSM posters) can be quite infuriating at times, but you seemed to display just the right amount of push back and humility. He keeps us honest, and we him, though I'm sure he will disagree.

I think having posters like him on your thread has really helped you. Look at how much more has surfaced in such a short time. This forum is a friendly discussion of ideas by members and former members of the LC's. It's helpful for you to know that you are not alone, neither was yours an isolated case. What you have learned helps others here too.

One thing we have all faced is the guilt shaming. You just recently faced a couple incidents of this concerning tithing and that Steinem quote. Instead of listening to what you were trying to say, he attempted to discredit you by zeroing in on minor things. So typical. Pass the camel and strain out the gnats.

But notice there was no response to WL's comment about "losing their virginity." That was during an elders' meeting. How irreverent was that? Compare what WL did and said during Daystar with the Apostle Paul's fellowship with the Corinthians in II Cor. 11.1-4. Not good. But these events have been hidden from nearly all the members.

Thank you for recognizing that! I thought about responding the same way but thought it would just add fuel to the fire and hoped others would see exactly what you're saying.

You do lose credibility when you ignore the issue and pinpoint minor irrelevant errors.

I agree that its good to have opposing viewpoints though, I like them! I may not like conflict but I'm all about discussing something with someone respectfully. If anything, its challenging and makes you think. It's embarrassing to admit but I didn't even know what an apologetic was until I was an adult.

How is that possible growing up in the LC?

Well, I guess WL was our head apologetic. Yikes!

I was in a marriage with someone who constantly spoke to me like that (changing the topic, not focusing on the point, nit picking every flaw instead of listening) so I agree that although it was very hard and so painful- it did prepare me for how to deal with people like that.

Obviously, I'm not perfect and I can admit that I get defensive but I truly don't want to be that way and believe thats not how we should be towards anyone- esp bro/sis in Christ. So, if I was too much I'm sorry.

I'm not surprised he didn't respond bc - there is nothing he can defend WL's remarks with. I think we both can see, given his previous posts- he would if he was able! There's proof (I thought I read) so he can't say its a lie (too many people heard or was it just recorded?). Maybe he thinks no one will pick up on the double standard of him dishing out criticism on topics he has issues with (while ignoring the main point) and not being able to flip roles and respond to criticism related to the same issue with something WL said. Sorry to beat a dead horse but I also feel like you can enable people when you let them get away with it. It's a battle I have a hard time walking away from- probably bc my marriage was so full of that kind of thing. I'm sure the excuse (the only one) would be that he was asked to leave me alone, which- I still want him to. But I'd asked him to before and he didn't. Very convenient that he's backing off now when he can't defend your questions about the same issue.

People are funny.

I'm all about opposing viewpoints and keeping each other honest, I just like logic and respect. I hope I'm showing that!

And yes, all these events being hidden are so wrong. Whatever reasoning they have for "carrying the burden" is flawed. I agree this is a more extreme case but what if the Catholics who covered up molestation from priests said that they were just "carrying the burden." It wouldn't have gone over well.

We all have a right to know accurate facts and history about the group of believers you meet with. We all should be able to make decisions for ourselves if they were mistakes that should be forgiven and decide whether or not you still have faith and trust in those people.....or, if there is a bigger problem at hand and if you should run the other direction. How can the church we learn from its mistakes and have accountability if most people don't even know about the mistakes these elders and leading ones made? I would personally have to hear or see public apologies and repentance for this behavior before I EVER even THOUGHT of trusting that person again. Even then it would be a long road ahead.

I wonder if the decisions to cover it up would have been different with the knowledge that the internet era was ahead? hmmmm......

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by kumbaya

And yes, all these events being hidden are so wrong. Whatever reasoning they have for "carrying the burden" is flawed. I agree this is a more extreme case but what if the Catholics who covered up molestation from priests said that they were just "carrying the burden." It wouldn't have gone over well.

We all have a right to know accurate facts and history about the group of believers you meet with.

I wonder if the decisions to cover it up would have been different with the knowledge that the internet era was ahead? hmmmm......

Excellent points. Biblical and just common sense. For example, I don't look at any Catholics differently based on what has happened with the priests. Think about it, forbidding to marry is a doctrine of demons. (I Tim 4.3) This kind of stuff probably happened for thousands of years. What amazes me is that the RCC never reads their Bible. Today God is shining His spotlight on all segments of society. What was once kept secret, not is shouted from the internet "housetops."

WL and LSM never did come clean. I lived thru the turmoil/storms of the 70's and 80's. The published reports NEVER matched the actual facts. The pulpit and the press were used to smear those men of God who sought to protect the children of God. That was their only "crime." None of them desired to stage some coup d'etat to overthrow W. Lee. But that is exactly what we were all told. Those who knew better kept silent for personal gain. Those who would not keep silent were slandered and their reputations destroyed.

The Blendeds in Anaheim really shot themselves in the foot when they quarantined (what a joke that word is!) the Great Lakes Area and Brazil. The lies and hidden corruption of the past awoke from their graves and came back to life on the internet. This forum enabled ex-members from all over the world to connect. We all had a few pieces of the puzzle to put together and then we saw what WL and the LSM really was like. How stupid they were to excommunicate whole regions. Back in the 80's, Lee lost dozens of thriving LC's in Europe and Africa in order to protect his son Philip. Who knows what arm or leg they will cut off next time!