The Vision of the Age, the Ministry of the Age, and the Minister of the Age

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

are you trying to deny that Luther taught and preached "saved by faith alone"?

I am absolutely denying that I am an expert on what Luther did and did not teach.

What I have seen is quite Biblical. That said I would not be surprised if he, like many other people, made mistakes. I would welcome you presenting credible evidence to that effect as it would educate me. But other than that I find the entire discussion a distraction from the main topic.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am absolutely denying that I am an expert on what Luther did and did not teach.

What I have seen is quite Biblical. That said I would not be surprised if he, like many other people, made mistakes. I would welcome you presenting credible evidence to that effect as it would educate me. But other than that I find the entire discussion a distraction from the main topic.

There's no mistake. I am merely showing that term "faith alone" is not directly from the bible but from an overlay created by the MOTA Luther (also attributed to Calvin, but Luther was preaching it before Calvin). Therefore whenever a person says "saved by faith alone" they are in fact quoting a MOTA, not the Bible.

I never said Luther was heretic. I am saying that the real difference between those who say he wasn't (eg. Protestants), and those who say he was (eg. Catholics) is what he taught which is not found in the Bible. It would be strange for a protestant to say he was a heretic just as it would be strange for a Catholic to say Luther was not a heretic. The teaching is related to the minister.