Women's Role

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Nell

As a mysogynist, DO NOT presume to tell others what I believe. You don't know me. You don't know what I believe. I didn't "indicate" anything. I quoted a verse. I believe what the verse says, and that would be what God said. Not me. Do I believe the Bible? Yes.

Wait Nell.

There is no evidence that Evangelical is a misogynist...none... your characterization is uncalled for and it sounds as if you are frustrated or angry. Do you mean to express it that way?

Anytime a CAP or a bold is played it means something special to call attention to, a point to emphasize, to give it special meaning or priority. When I originally read your "WHATEVER" post I wondered if you meant WHATEVER about anything at all, or if you meant WHATEVER to the specific thing being discussed at the moment. I went back and read it again and it was clear it was about what Sarah had already spoken "in all that Sarah hath said unto thee" not that he should take his direction from Sarah in everything going forward.She wanted to toss Hagar and her son out for understandable reasons, Abraham was distressed about the idea, and God told him to listen to Sarah in this matter. I don't remember if God ever did that again with the two of them. Also, God did go to Abraham and instructed him to listen to his wife... and God did not go to Sarah and tell her to go tell Abraham what to do (she already did that without being prompted).

Yet, I do not want to be guilty of putting words in your mouth so WHAT did you mean by "WHATEVER"?

Drake

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Drake

Wait Nell.

There is no evidence that Evangelical is a misogynist...none... your characterization is uncalled for and it sounds as if you are frustrated or angry. Do you mean to express it that way?

Anytime a CAP or a bold is played it means something special to call attention to, a point to emphasize, to give it special meaning or priority. When I originally read your "WHATEVER" post I wondered if you meant WHATEVER about anything at all, or if you meant WHATEVER to the specific thing being discussed at the moment. I went back and read it again and it was clear it was about what Sarah had already spoken "in all that Sarah hath said unto thee" not that he should take his direction from Sarah in everything going forward.She wanted to toss Hagar and her son out for understandable reasons, Abraham was distressed about the idea, and God told him to listen to Sarah in this matter. I don't remember if God ever did that again with the two of them. Also, God did go to Abraham and instructed him to listen to his wife... and God did not go to Sarah and tell her to go tell Abraham what to do (she already did that without being prompted).

Yet, I do not want to be guilty of putting words in your mouth so WHAT did you mean by "WHATEVER"?

Drake

"Evidence" is in the eye of the beholder.

I quoted a verse. "Whatever" was in the verse. I didn't write it. I didn't noodle it. I didn't read anything into it. I quoted it. I emphasized the word "whatever" in context of the discussion. I hope this answers your question.

My post #229 has several questions which remain unanswered. These were not rhetorical questions.

Nell

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Nell

"Evidence" is in the eye of the beholder.

I quoted a verse. "Whatever" was in the verse. I didn't write it. I didn't noodle it. I didn't read anything into it. I quoted it. I emphasized the word "whatever" in context of the discussion. I hope this answers your question.

My post #229 has several questions which remain unanswered. These were not rhetorical questions.

Nell

Ok. I think "whatever" has run its course.

Nell, I considered your questions in #229 and provided my view of the many roles of women in #234. I believe it is consistent with your statement "All members need to realize their place in the Body as needing all the other members". You might not agree with everything I said, and they were not addressed to me directly, but I for one considered your questions.

Drake

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Nell

"Evidence" is in the eye of the beholder.

I quoted a verse. "Whatever" was in the verse. I didn't write it. I didn't noodle it. I didn't read anything into it. I quoted it. I emphasized the word "whatever" in context of the discussion. I hope this answers your question.

My post #229 has several questions which remain unanswered. These were not rhetorical questions.

Nell

Regarding whether God intended women to give men spiritual help I think this verse provides a satisfactory answer:

1 Corinthians 14:35
If they have any questions, they should ask their husbands at home

Matthew Henry commentary:

"the apostle exhorts Christian women to seek information on religious subjects from their husbands at home"


Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges ~
The women were not only not permitted to teach (see 1 Timothy 2:11-14) but even to ask questions in Church, a privilege, says. Grotius, permitted to men, but denied to women, among the Jews.

These are other commentaries are available to read here
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_c...ians/14-35.htm

So the bible plainly says that women were not even allowed to ask questions let alone teach their husbands.

And the "custom for the time" argument doesn't really stick because even though this was a Jewish custom, Paul applied it to the Gentile church at Corinth, indicating that Paul was not giving different instructions to Jews and Gentiles. All of the churches Jew and Gentile were expected to abide by Paul's same commands.

Jane's book is basically an extension of Bushnell's Christian feminist theories, under the guise of "mistranslated verses from the original Greek" which just happen to coincide with any verse that could be used to defeat her arguments. But modern bible scholars such as Wallace and others provide little support for Bushnell's views, not because they are men but because they are trained experts in their field with 30+ years of experience.