NIGEL TOMES: LSM’s ‘Authority & Submission’ Tampers with the Trinity

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Originally Posted by Drake

Igzy) "Regardless, it establishes nothing about spiritual authority, unless you are someone who wants to abuse spiritual authority or someone who for some reason is willing to be abused by it. "

Igzy, that is just your opinion. You are ignoring the biblically obvious in favor of your private interpretation.


Drake

Just my opinion? You are ignoring the Biblically obvious:

The soothing tongue is a tree of life, but a perverse tongue crushes the spirit. Proverbs 15:4

The words of the reckless pierce like swords, but the tongue of the wise brings healing. Proverbs 12:18

Gracious words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. Proverbs 16:23-24

Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O LORD, my rock and my redeemer. Psalm 19:14

With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. James 3:9-10

Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. Galatians 6:1

So instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 2 Corinthians 2:7

Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother. 2 Thessalonians 3:15

He must gently reprove those who oppose him, in the hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 2:25

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. Matt 5:22

It's clear that Noah's outburst was contrary to the nature God wishes us to express.

Yes, Noah was an authority, so his words had far-reaching impact. That is why those in authority must be extra-careful with their words. But Noah abused his authority and his words brought not life, but destruction. If his cursing brought about the evil, unbelieving Canannites then that is nothing to brag about. That is not the fruit God wishes our words to produce.

Suppose Noah had held his tongue. Suppose he had taken another approach and gathered his family together for a gentle and godly lesson in respecting the privacy of the imperfect, of humbly helping and supporting those who stumble and, yes, even of respecting authority. Imagine if all his sons and grandchildren had been inspired by that and other gentle lessons to be great leaders of faith how different the Canaanites, and history, might have turned out.

No, if God used Noah in that moment, it was no different that how he used other evil acts to eventually show forth his glory. But I do not believe he approved of Noah's words or actions, because they are just against His nature. And the verses above prove that.