The Unique Move of God

[Drake]

Koinonia 'Drake, you have equated those not meeting with your group with Jews in New York who are not citizens of Israel'

No, I did not. Stop misrepresenting my position. Address my argument.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Koinonia: 'Drake, you have equated those not meeting with your group with Jews in New York who are not citizens of Israel'

No, I did not. Stop misrepresenting my position. Address my argument.

Drake, sure you did.

You equate Christians living in the denominations with Jews living in the nations.

You equate Jews in Israel with Christians who have the name "the church in ..."

Drake, your error is in wrongly believing that locality or geography is our ground of oneness, and not Christ Himself who is our real ground of oneness.

The same type of persuasive speech deluded the Colossians. We are rooted and grounded in Christ, not in some secular and worldly geographic boundaries, which can change with every passing war. (See 2.1-10)

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Drake

Koinonia 'Drake, you have equated those not meeting with your group with Jews in New York who are not citizens of Israel'

No, I did not. Stop misrepresenting my position. Address my argument.

I am. That is just what you said.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

I am. That is just what you said.

No.

Either you are unable or unwilling to engage in a meaningful dialogue.

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Drake

No.

Either you are unable or unwilling to engage in a meaningful dialogue.

Drake, the fact that I disagree with you does not mean the dialogue is not meaningful. Sorry.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Drake, the fact that I disagree with you does not mean the dialogue is not meaningful. Sorry.

Koinomia,

I have no objection with disagreement..... even vigorous disagreement. Disagreement is not an issue.

Dialogue became meaningless when you misrepresented my position.

Drake

[Drake]

ZNP "What he said was that if you are a Jew and you move to Israel, what is wrong with naming your country Israel? You are taking a stand as Israel, on the proper ground of Israel, why not call yourself Israel?"

Yes ZNP, you said that more succinctly than I did.

I'll address the points of your post 484 in a separate note.

Drake

[Drake]

ZNP "I do not see anything in either of these sections that suggests there is any other name by which we would keep the oneness."

ZNP,

I don't either.

I believe all of this discussion about The church in such and such place "as a name" is a more recent artifact in church history. Specifically, because of the proliferation of the denominations in the last few hundred years. In the first century Christians just knew they were members of the church in a certain place. Paul's letters and revelation chapters 2 and 3 show clearly this was a basic assumption. Therefore, your explanation of the name would have been well understood.

Fast forward to the year 2017 . The basic assumption of the oneness of the believers in a certain place has been clouded over with a departure from that most basic understanding concerning the oneness of the believers that you articulated. Anticipating the church in degradation on this matter, I believe the Lord explicitly listed the names of the churches in Revelation 2 and 3 as the church in a city. And also elsewhere. So though every believer in a place is a member of the church in that place, it is necessary to articulate the ground of Oneness in the name of Jesus. Not to divide, but to unite.That is something that should be understood but in reality it is not.

As you said it's not a matter of thinking that we are better. Rather, it is a matter of being proper and according to the revelation of the practical oneness in the scripture. The Jews who live as the nation of Israel are not necessarily better than Jews who live in New York City. However, as to fulfilling the purpose of the nation of Israel and all that that implies the Jews in the land are practically fulfilling that mission. Yet, by distinguishing themselves as a member of the nation of Israel they are not excluding any of the other 17 million Jews who could take that position themselves. And who can fault the Jews who live as the nation of Israel from longing for and hoping that those 17 million Jews who live elsewhere will someday join them to accomplish the mission of the nation of Israel?

Drake