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ZNPaaneah · 05-04-2017, 04:16 AM

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Yes, only around 85% of evangelicals supported Trump. So 15% didn't. Bro ZNP might be in the 15%. But then, it sounds like even he voted for Trump.

I have already stated plainly that I did not vote for president, I opted to not vote. I have also repeated this. If 20 million others who didn't like the person they voted for did that as well it would have forced a bigger political movement than what we are seeing now.

So how could it possibly sound like "he voted for Trump"?

awareness · 05-04-2017, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I have already stated plainly that I did not vote for president, I opted to not vote. I have also repeated this. If 20 million others who didn't like the person they voted for did that as well it would have forced a bigger political movement than what we are seeing now.

So how could it possibly sound like "he voted for Trump"?

Sorry about that.

I think the non-voters should be counted ; as those that disbelieve in the choices, or as those that are disenchanted with the political system. Their voices, or lack thereof, should be considered and factored.

Ohio · 05-04-2017, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by awareness

Sorry about that.

I think the non-voters should be counted ; as those that disbelieve in the choices, or as those that are disenchanted with the political system. Their voices, or lack thereof, should be considered and factored.

A good friend of mine wrote in "John Kasich" for President. Coming from a crucial swing state, his vote, in effect, helped Hillary, even though he hated to see her win.

When it comes to voting, we should not vote with their hearts, rather with our minds.

ZNPaaneah · 05-04-2017, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohio

A good friend of mine wrote in "John Kasich" for President. Coming from a crucial swing state, his vote, in effect, helped Hillary, even though he hated to see her win.

When it comes to voting, we should not vote with their hearts, rather with our minds.

In my mind I did not want either candidate to claim a "mandate".

Ohio · 05-04-2017, 07:52 AM

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In my mind I did not want either candidate to claim a "mandate".

Regardless of who wins, a "mandate" will be claimed, even if it's by a hanging chad.

ZNPaaneah · 05-04-2017, 09:48 AM

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Regardless of who wins, a "mandate" will be claimed, even if it's by a hanging chad.

If you have 200 million registered voters, and 100 million voted in the last election and 40 million vote in this election you can claim whatever you want, every politician knows you don't have a mandate and will act accordingly.

When Reagan won by an overwhelming majority everyone feared his mandate. No one fears Trump's "mandate".

ZNPaaneah · 05-04-2017, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by awareness

Sorry about that.

I think the non-voters should be counted ; as those that disbelieve in the choices, or as those that are disenchanted with the political system. Their voices, or lack thereof, should be considered and factored.

Yes, I completely disagree with those who say you are obligated to vote. If we had only had 20 million people vote in the last election (the amount that probably felt very strongly for one or the other candidate) the entire process would have been invalidated. It would have been pointless to claim who got the most votes or who got the most electoral college votes. It would be like a Superbowl that no one watched or turned on. That makes a very loud statement of disapproval of the entire system.

Ohio · 05-04-2017, 07:54 AM

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Yes, I completely disagree with those who say you are obligated to vote. If we had only had 20 million people vote in the last election (the amount that probably felt very strongly for one or the other candidate) the entire process would have been invalidated. It would have been pointless to claim who got the most votes or who got the most electoral college votes. It would be like a Superbowl that no one watched or turned on. That makes a very loud statement of disapproval of the entire system.

I'm not sure I can agree. If one side tries to play fair, and the other side cheats, then the good guys lose.

ZNPaaneah · 05-04-2017, 09:49 AM

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I'm not sure I can agree. If one side tries to play fair, and the other side cheats, then the good guys lose.

There were no "good guys". It was guaranteed that the "bad guys" were going to win, I just wanted that to be an empty victory.

awareness · 05-04-2017, 07:50 PM

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I'm not sure I can agree. If one side tries to play fair, and the other side cheats, then the good guys lose.

I agree bro Ohio. Like the pubbies blocking Obama's supreme court appointee, and then ramming down our throats Gorsuch. They didn't play fair. Or is it okay when pubbies don't play fair?

Ohio · 05-04-2017, 08:58 PM

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I agree bro Ohio. Like the pubbies blocking Obama's supreme court appointee, and then ramming down our throats Gorsuch. They didn't play fair. Or is it okay when pubbies don't play fair?

Gorsuch is benign. Never hurt a soul. You won't even get a sore throat. Just drink some green tea and get some rest. You'll feel fine in the morning.