New LSM Website: ministrypropagation.org

[aron]

Originally Posted by Freedom

I feel that the LC draws many people by portraying itself as a "no nonsense" kind of group. They say they are only for Christ. Once someone has been around for a little while, they are told that in order to be for Christ, they have to be for "the church."

Then they come to find that "the church" is supposedly only accurately detailed by a certain ministry. So the underlying assumption is that they have to be for a certain ministry if they're serious about the Lord.

It is a mindset that deceives so many. "The Church," as a singular entity seems like a worthy goal. But what is missing from the equation? Christ.

Yes, the deception is in stages. Just like the introductory, "Oh, we're just Christians". Get them to bite on that, slowly feed them your proprietary formula and move them away from being 'just Christian'. All the while these new additions are supposedly intrinsically linked to the original.

Nothing of the sort. Any one of these new introductions has its own logic. But whatever you do, don't poke at it. Just take it in, nice and smooth, and you're on to the next level.

For example, the oft-mentioned "Christ loved the church". So the rank-and-file are supposed to as well, right? I mean if Christ loved the church, so should we, and also "give ourselves for her". I heard this logic often, either implied or stated baldly as self-evident truth.

But how can the church love the church, and give herself for herself? As soon as you begin to question the underlying assumptions the thing comes apart like wet crepe-paper. It has no solidity. What's underlying it is usually an emotionally-fraught meeting, with passionate declarations to some proposed entity that doesn't even exist apart from the proposition. So don't think; rather be in a manufactured emotional state, and presume it's being "in spirit" and you give your life over to nothing.

Again I ask, if the church were so sacrosanct then why did Luther leave?

"Oh, that wasn't the church, that was the harlot babylon".

Oh, really? What distinguished you from that?

"Well, when we do it, it's organic. (or, living. Or, the truth) When they do it, it's organizational (or, religion. Or traditions of men)."

And so you find there's nothing there but a set of unquestioned assumptions that fall apart with the slightest critical examination. And you gave yourself to nothing at all. You were merchandised; you were jobbed.

At some point, when you see ministrypropagation.org you might want to really ask, what are we propagating here? I mean at some point it just becomes too glaringly obvious. "I'm proud to be an ostrich with my head stuck in the sand", said one of the current blendeds. Really how else can one go on?

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by aron

Yes, the deception is in stages. Just like the introductory, "Oh, we're just Christians". Get them to bite on that, slowly feed them your proprietary formula and move them away from being 'just Christian'. All the while these new additions are supposedly intrinsically linked to the original.

Nothing of the sort. Any one of these new introductions has its own logic. But whatever you do, don't poke at it. Just take it in, nice and smooth, and you're on to the next level.

Generally speaking, I think and I hope that most Christians would know better than to take the LC bait.

But what the LC seeks to provide are ear-tickling teachings that seemingly highlight 'missed' points which are supposedly ignored by the majority of Christians.

This is the kind of stuff that can fool people. It's not really the kind of logic that would fool most people, but it only takes a small set of supporters to get the ball in motion.

And I think that a lot of it is related to some kind of underlying insecurity. The LC preys upon those who don't know what to believe, or those who are developing their own belief systems (like college students). Can the problem be stopped? It depends. Only if people can ask the kinds of questions which need to be asked.