New LSM Website: ministrypropagation.org

[TLFisher]

Let's be honest. The local churches are ministry churches far more than they are local churches. Meeting and receiving is according to a ministry.
In order for one to meet regularly with these localities, they must have a vision for the ministry or else they're just not going to make it.
Someone who has a broader view of God's Word more than what LSM publishes will often be subjected to scrutiny.

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Terry

Let's be honest. The local churches are ministry churches far more than they are local churches. Meeting and receiving is according to a ministry.
In order for one to meet regularly with these localities, they must have a vision for the ministry or else they're just not going to make it.
Someone who has a broader view of God's Word more than what LSM publishes will often be subjected to scrutiny.

I watch these videos and think--what happened to the LC?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Terry

Let's be honest. The local churches are ministry churches far more than they are local churches. Meeting and receiving is according to a ministry.
In order for one to meet regularly with these localities, they must have a vision for the ministry or else they're just not going to make it.
Someone who has a broader view of God's Word more than what LSM publishes will often be subjected to scrutiny.

One brother said, except for the HWFMR, no one is buying the other books.

Why do you think that is? Young people can access the ministry online. Older saints have bookshelves full of books. How do they know who is reading what?

It's so obvious that they care little for what their people are reading, nor their real spiritual health. They only care for book sales.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

One brother said, except for the HWFMR, no one is buying the other books.

Why do you think that is? Young people can access the ministry online. Older saints have bookshelves full of books. How do they know who is reading what?

It's so obvious that they care little for what their people are reading, nor their real spiritual health. They only care for book sales.

Hi all...

I just watched a couple of these videos... I found this one in particular contradictory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR3SHYWZiwg


Around the 5 minute mark the guy is exhorting the saints not to replace the Word with the reference materials. Towards the end around the 7 minute mark, he says parents should educate their children in 'the full knowledge of the truth'.. but it is my understanding many of the church kids are leaving not only the LSM but disconnecting with their families. Also.. how sad Lee did not follow his own 'teachings' on raising families properly.

Finally.. he starts off as I said around the 5 minute mark to read the bible and not replace it with the references but by the end he is emphasizing Lee's words to read the bible with the footnotes, lifestudies etc..

Well. we all know reading the bible in the LSM without footnotes, lifestudies, reference books by Nee & Lee in particular is impossible.

And is it not the case today that the LSMrs are not reading the bible but reading and 'praying' the revival booklets and footnotes at the meetings?



Tick-Tock....

[aron]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

.. it is my understanding many of the church kids are leaving not only the LSM but disconnecting with their families..

The core of Jesus' teachings centered around relationships, emerging from the Judaic ethos, namely piety within monotheism: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one" Deut 6:4 (NIV). Now, we're straitly charged to love God wholly, and love our neighbors. Do this and you fulfill the law and the prophets. See Matt 22:40; cf Gal 5:14; also see 1 John 4:20.

Against this, the de facto, operational 'god' of the Nee/Lee programme reveals itself: alignment with organizational leadership. Lee-ism has splintered, and one is asked which leadership group they follow: Dong-ite, or Chu-ite, or Blended? Based on this confession and commitment to obedience, all subsequent human relations are based.

Not surprising that many children raised in such an environment of isolationism and enforced estrangement will eventually recoil; they may not yet articulate it fully, but have sensed an atmosphere thick with conformity and fear, and want to get far away.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by aron

The core of Jesus' teachings centered around relationships, emerging from the Judaic ethos, namely piety within monotheism: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one" Deut 6:4 (NIV). Now, we're straitly charged to love God wholly, and love our neighbors. Do this and you fulfill the law and the prophets. See Matt 22:40; cf Gal 5:14; also see 1 John 4:20.

Against this, the de facto, operational 'god' of the Nee/Lee programme reveals itself: alignment with organizational leadership. Lee-ism has splintered, and one is asked which leadership group they follow: Dong-ite, or Chu-ite, or Blended? Based on this confession and commitment to obedience, all subsequent human relations are based.

I spent my best years hearing and re-speaking how Christianity was hopelessly divided, and how we alone stood for the oneness of the body of Christ. What a farce!

The real oneness of the Spirit requires genuine love from the heart, loving God, loving the brothers, loving our neighbors, and even loving our enemies. This alone is the agape love of God.

Instead, we in the recovery were taught to love the "truth," which is basically synonymous with loving doctrines, and not just any old doctrines, but only those which came forth out of Anaheim. We also were instructed to love "the ministry," which basically means that we only buy and read LSM books.

Don't need the Spirit of God to do these things. Devoted "tares" will suffice. As Titus Chu once said, if we really wanted to do door-knocking well, according to LSM's endless regulations (don't forget to "turn left"), we should have just hired unbelievers. They could have done a better job than we were doing.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I spent my best years hearing and re-speaking how Christianity was hopelessly divided, and how we alone stood for the oneness of the body of Christ. What a farce!

The real oneness of the Spirit requires genuine love from the heart, loving God, loving the brothers, loving our neighbors, and even loving our enemies. This alone is the agape love of God.

Instead, we in the recovery were taught to love the "truth," which is basically synonymous with loving doctrines, and not just any old doctrines, but only those which came forth out of Anaheim. We also were instructed to love "the ministry," which basically means that we only buy and read LSM books.

I just finished writing a post about a call I received this week from a sister/friend I lived with in the 70s. She and her hubby have been living in Anaheim 'forever'. But for whatever reasons, I believe the Holy Spirit prompted her to call me. (She may not know it but I KNOW the way the Holy Spirit operates. )

As I wrote we had a good conversation and somewhere in our fellowship I mentioned no matter where we are in our walk, we are all members of Christ's body. Christ is our Head and we are His body. She was receptive or did a very good job of holding her tongue!

Btw.. as I was scanning through these posts, I read somewhere that Lee did not regard Job (and the Psalms which I already knew and a few other books in the bible) as significant?? Is that right?

LOL.. because I told my friend I am experiencing Job's trials But I know how his story ends and I am quite encouraged in spite of my circumstances.

Again... showers of God's blessings upon us all.

[aron]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Btw.. as I was scanning through these posts, I read somewhere that Lee did not regard Job (and the Psalms which I already knew and a few other books in the bible) as significant?? Is that right?

Deuteronomy 17:14-20 shows the attributes of a very human king vis-a-vis God and His word. Per Psalms 1 and 2, this obedient king is designated the Son of God. NT reception of Psalm 2 shows this scripture was fulfilled by Jesus the Nazarene. "God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ".

Not terribly mysterious.. .yet WL panned Psalm 1 as vain, and his RecV footnotes on Deut 17:14-20 focus on local church elders and their 'theocracy'. Where's Jesus? Where's the King of Israel, and Savior of the world? Nowhere to be seen. Again and again WL departed from clear NT precedent and struck off on his own, mostly to disastrous results.